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"HB" marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk a écrit dans le message de
. .. "trg" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Tom Kunich" a écrit dans le message de ups.com... I have to agree with Kunich on this. I saw a piece on Danish TV about Tyler in the Tour 2003. He was livid when Riis went to look after the eventual stage winner (don't remember if it was the stage Pil won, or the won Sastre won) and left him without support. Wasn't a very flattering view of Tyler. He came off looking like a spoiled brat. Of course he was in a lot of pain at the time from a shoulder broken in two places, so maybe some allowances should be make for that. It was Sastre who won. Riis said in the same broadcast that it was the toughest decision he ever had to make, whether to stay with Tyler og go with Sastre. Personally I think Tyler had the support he could expect. He had a broken collarbone and was barely hanging on the peloton in the first stages. He could not count on the entire team (and the sponsors) sacrificing what turned out to be 2 stage wins at the price of everyone dragging him through day after day. He gave his reason for going to Phonak as being able to have a team built around him for the Tour. Plus, if he had won the Tour or even come in second behind Armstrong, he could have cashed in probably more than any salary boost the Phonak would be good for. So if he thought he had a better chance of success with CSC in the Tour 2004, he might have stayed with them even for, rather than is spite of monetary reasons. He had the team built around him in the 2004 Tour, and skipped because of back pain...hmm, and the year before he didn't have the team he wanted and he sat thru 3 weeks of hell!?. I think he went for the money, which is fine by me, he should just have come clean (no pun). HB I don't think it was about the level of pain. It was about the performance possible given the injury. I've both broken a shoulder and also had back problems, they both hurt like hell, but you screw up your back and game over for just about any sport. Hamilton said he no longer had any power after the back injury. I believe him. Besides, as I said, if he could come in 1st or even second behind Armstrong while on CSC, the money that would generate for him would more than make up for any pay raise that Phonak would give him. BTW, if there was a pun that you were avoiding with "come clean", I missed it. Maybe it only works in Dansk, or maybe I'm just thick today |
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"Tom Kunich" schreef in bericht ups.com... .... Tyler did the right thing. The questions about his positive still ring loudly. Why is WADA refusing to do a False Positives Study? I don't think such a study is necessary. The test that found Hamilton positive clearly detects different red blood cells and Hamilton did not dispute that. This means that he himself did not believe in the possibility of a false positive. |
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Both Zabby and Basso looked really great (positions) on their TT bikes
in the photos I saw. More evidence of the influence that Riis has on his team. It is very cool to watch unfold. I can't wait for Christian to start moving up too. At this point Riis' reputation helps him attract a lot of talent without getting too outrageous with salary offers. |
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Dumbass, Riis' management style is the opposite of the iron-man.
And...where do you get "cohesion" from the orange machine? You say it as if you know what you are talking about and hope for the best. That seems to sum up you posting style. CSC stands alone in their superior team culture that gets the most out of the talent of the team as individuals and a group. There is no other team that even comes close. Bartoli and Tafi were the only riders that did not have his best results while riding for CSC. They were way past their prime and I can't hold CSC responsible for that. That leaves about 95% (or more) of the team that is having their best results of their careers. |
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I'd say getting passed by Lance on l'Alpe d'Huez last year spurred him
on. Thinking that if he's ever that high in the GC again he doesn't want the door slammed shut but a TT. D On Tue, 17 May 2005 10:15:56 +0100, "Jan" wrote: From the Cervelo newsletter. Jan Eighteen months of focus paid off yesterday for Ivan Basso, as the once-mediocre time trialist blasted through the 45km 8th stage of the Giro d 'Italia and left a path of distruction in his wake. On his brand-new P3 Carbon with Wolf TT fork, Basso gained 1min39 on Garzelli, 2min7 on Cunego and 2min37 on Simoni. Even reknowned time trailer Sergei Gontchar lost 36 seconds to Basso. But it hasn't been easy for Basso to get where he is today. Prior to riding for Team CSC, he had never trained on his time trial bike. He didn't have a TT bike at home, he didn't train on one in the training camps, the only time he would ride one would be in races. That all changed when he came to Team CSC. Realizing that without a good time trial a rider cannot win the big tours, Bjarne Riis put together a training schedule for him that heavily focused on improving Basso's skills in this area. Now he regularly puts in 100km+ a day on one of the several Cervelo time trial bikes he has at home. He rode yesterday's Giro stage at least 20 times in training, knew ever corner and every pothole. He now feels as comfortable on his P3 Carbon as he does on his R2.5 and Soloist. And for the first time in his career, he now actually looks forward to the time trials as opportunities to gain time on his rivals. "Today's stage was very important, and I was fully aware of what I had to do. It's fantastic to be able to make a result like this, which is what Bjarne and I had hoped for. We've been working for a long time with this time trial, and I believe, I've done the route about 20 times. I've been training a lot in order to be able to make a difference in this discipline. Yesterday's time loss was just another motivation factor for me, and I was very determined to retaliate. I owe Bjarne a special thanks, cause he is also a big part of this triumph. We still have a lot of tough stages ahead of us, but today we took a giant leap forward," said Ivan Basso. The only rider Ivan couldn't beat yesterday was another Team CSC member on a Cervelo. In this case, it was Dave Zabriskie on a P3 SL, CSC's stock TT bike. It was the first time trial victory in a major Tour for the young American, even though the main reason to go fast was not to win the stage, but to scout out the course for Ivan. But that doesn't mean he didn't have victory in the back of his mind. "I'm very happy with my victory. I started early, so it was quite nerve wrecking to watch the other guys on TV. On the last part of the course we had headwinds, and I knew that would be to my advantage because of my position on the bike. I'm a time trial specialist, and this is definitely a victory I've dreamt about for a long time. I was allowed to take it easy in yesterday's stage, so I was able to aim for something big today," said Zabriskie. All in all, yesterday's results were a big victory for the team and for Bjarne Riis, who has always focused on time trials, from equipment choices to rider selection to training schedules. "It was a fantastic day for us. David showed his huge potential and Ivan did the time trial of his life. We couldn't expect more than this. Our preparations have paid off, and Ivan confirmed yesterday's time loss wasn't due to lack of strength. Our team is here to win the Giro with Ivan, and today we showed, that we mean business," said Bjarne Riis. |
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Chris M wrote:
Dumbass, Riis' management style is the opposite of the iron-man. And...where do you get "cohesion" from the orange machine? You say it as if you know what you are talking about and hope for the best. That seems to sum up you posting style. CSC stands alone in their superior team culture that gets the most out of the talent of the team as individuals and a group. There is no other team that even comes close. Bartoli and Tafi were the only riders that did not have his best results while riding for CSC. They were way past their prime and I can't hold CSC responsible for that. That leaves about 95% (or more) of the team that is having their best results of their careers. I refer to EE's "cohesion" not in sense of riding as a team (they certainly don't), but in supporting one another as Basque nationalists out to prove a point. Now if those anarchists could only get organized, they could accomplish great things. And Discovery certainly comes close to CSC's success. How many riders has Johan plucked from the anonymity of the domestic scene and transformed into top-level athletes? They have a different reason for wanting talented people, but they are still comparable. -Sonarrat. |
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sonarrat wrote:
How many riders has Johan plucked from the anonymity of the domestic scene and transformed into top-level athletes? Hmmm. Okay, I give up: how many? |
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sonarrat wrote:
Chris M wrote: Dumbass, Riis' management style is the opposite of the iron-man. And...where do you get "cohesion" from the orange machine? You say it as if you know what you are talking about and hope for the best. That seems to sum up you posting style. CSC stands alone in their superior team culture that gets the most out of the talent of the team as individuals and a group. There is no other team that even comes close. Bartoli and Tafi were the only riders that did not have his best results while riding for CSC. They were way past their prime and I can't hold CSC responsible for that. That leaves about 95% (or more) of the team that is having their best results of their careers. I refer to EE's "cohesion" not in sense of riding as a team (they certainly don't), but in supporting one another as Basque nationalists out to prove a point. Now if those anarchists could only get organized, they could accomplish great things. And Discovery certainly comes close to CSC's success. How many riders has Johan plucked from the anonymity of the domestic scene and transformed into top-level athletes? They have a different reason for wanting talented people, but they are still comparable. -Sonarrat. I would disagree that Discovery is on level with CSC. No one else comes close to CSC in terms of giving its riders space to ride, and finding ways for them to be successful. Riis really is remarkably good at that, and I don't think it has all that much to do with passing around the needle. The perfect TT positions of Basso and Zabriski didn't happen by accident. Nor, does having riders peaked out for races that suit them, as in the case of Bobby J at Paris-Nice. To me, there's nothing much remarkable about what Bruyneel is up to at Postal/Discovery. Train a monkey to drive the car, and Lance would probably still have won the Tour. Indeed, it seems at times as if the main difference between T-Mobile, often considered a black hole of talent, and Discovery is that Discovery scored the best Tour rider of his generation while T-Mobile ended up with the second best. |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:17:07 -0700, sonarrat
wrote: And Discovery certainly comes close to CSC's success. How many riders has Johan plucked from the anonymity of the domestic scene and transformed into top-level athletes? I can't think of any. How many do you think there are? JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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In article , sonarrat
wrote: Tyler's defection to Phonak was about money. The one thing Riis cannot offer is a big paycheck, because he's working with a very small budget compared with the heavy hitters. Phonak does not have that problem. -Sonarrat. You're correct, but I'd add that Phonak also promised to build a Tour team that was more focused on Hamilton as a sole leader than CSC could afford to do. -- tanx, Howard Butter is love. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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