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700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 10:03:58 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg wrote: snip In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However, as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet. Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants (needs) new kitchen utensils? Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship NB NW Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you should be fine! Joerg would have three bikes, which is not like bike hoarding or time for an intervention. It was time for an intervention when he used a hose clamp to secure his headset and came to the conclusion that a mid-fi club racer from the '80s is a suitable cargo bike, although incapable of taking any tire bigger than probably 25mm. My CX commuter is more suited to the purpose -- free warranty frame (aluminum) and scrap 9sp drive train and parts from its predecessor. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:03:56 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg wrote: snip In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However, as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet. Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants (needs) new kitchen utensils? Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship NB NW Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you should be fine! Actually the division of home management dates back to caveman days. We have come a long way since the cave man days. It has gone as far as Japanese women actually doing all the financial stuff and investing, something that is typically done by men. The owner of a painting and remodeling business once told me "I never carry any cash. If I need any I ask my wife and she gives me some". The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife chopped them up and cooked. My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them home. ... Logically if the husband wanted a new spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that the wife wanted were equally justified. Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues. I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such hanging from the rafters. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote: You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes! Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of ready-to-go wheels. I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames, I meant with 12g SS spokes. There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g. Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should last you a long time. The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits the bill most of the way. Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too. If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100 and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset, MTB rims quite cheaply these days. If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route. Or maybe a solid Mag wheel for less then $100 https://tinyurl.com/yan7qvuo I'd break those in a jiffy. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:03:56 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg wrote: snip In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However, as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet. Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants (needs) new kitchen utensils? Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship NB NW Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you should be fine! Actually the division of home management dates back to caveman days. We have come a long way since the cave man days. It has gone as far as Japanese women actually doing all the financial stuff and investing, something that is typically done by men. I hate to tell you but having lived for some ten years in Japan and spent some time studying the history and customs of the country of the country the fact that Japanese women, in many cases, manage the family's finances, is perfectly normal in a country where the sole duty of the male member's of the family is to fight in the Shogun's army. The owner of a painting and remodeling business once told me "I never carry any cash. If I need any I ask my wife and she gives me some". The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife chopped them up and cooked. My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them home. The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being gainfully employed. ... Logically if the husband wanted a new spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that the wife wanted were equally justified. Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues. I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such hanging from the rafters. You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both parties being quite satisfied with their status. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote: You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes! Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of ready-to-go wheels. I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames, I meant with 12g SS spokes. There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g. Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should last you a long time. The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits the bill most of the way. Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too. If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100 and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset, MTB rims quite cheaply these days. If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route. I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the "wobbles". I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong. (It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-) Or maybe a solid Mag wheel for less then $100 https://tinyurl.com/yan7qvuo I'd break those in a jiffy. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote: [...] The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife chopped them up and cooked. My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them home. The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being gainfully employed. You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me. ... Logically if the husband wanted a new spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that the wife wanted were equally justified. Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues. I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such hanging from the rafters. You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both parties being quite satisfied with their status. You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full, tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-01-25 18:03, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote: You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes! Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of ready-to-go wheels. I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames, I meant with 12g SS spokes. There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g. Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should last you a long time. The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits the bill most of the way. Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too. If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100 and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset, MTB rims quite cheaply these days. If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route. I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the "wobbles". I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong. (It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-) That's what I am looking for. However, they must tolerate my weight plus cargo. I believe 29er MTB rims are the same diameter as road bike rims so that may be an option if I have to build my own wheel. To heck with all this weight weenie stuff. On my MTB the rims are wider but not by a whole lot. Only problem is many are for disc brakes only. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote: [...] The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife chopped them up and cooked. My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them home. The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being gainfully employed. You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me. Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living". Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid for not working. ... Logically if the husband wanted a new spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that the wife wanted were equally justified. Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues. I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such hanging from the rafters. You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both parties being quite satisfied with their status. You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full, tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed. Less stuff in garage? Hardly. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:15:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-25 18:03, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote: You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes! Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of ready-to-go wheels. I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames, I meant with 12g SS spokes. There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g. Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should last you a long time. The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits the bill most of the way. Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too. If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100 and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset, MTB rims quite cheaply these days. If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route. I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the "wobbles". I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong. (It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-) That's what I am looking for. However, they must tolerate my weight plus cargo. I believe 29er MTB rims are the same diameter as road bike rims so that may be an option if I have to build my own wheel. To heck with all this weight weenie stuff. On my MTB the rims are wider but not by a whole lot. Only problem is many are for disc brakes only. Weight Weenie is now out dated and the current battle cry is "heavy don't matter if it is streamlined". -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 1/26/2018 11:07 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote: You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both parties being quite satisfied with their status. You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full, tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed. The "bike storage" corner of our basement is 70" x 71" x 96" high. I have seven bikes packed in there. One's a tandem. Careful planning can pack a lot of stuff in a small space. One more bike, the quick-access utility 3-speed, leans elsewhere closer to the door. Then there are my wife's mountain bike (now never used - I should give it away) plus two kid's bikes and an extra folding bike. Those are tucked away elsewhere, but still easily accessible. Yeah, it's nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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