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"TMS320" wrote in message ... "Mrcheerful" wrote This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Brilliant. Paint an ASL in the road but leave a lamp post in the killing zone. I agree, don't overtake the first vehicle in a queue (ASL or not, left or right) unless you can be sure it is going to stay there for some time. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. Then we see the source of the real stupidity. Interesting how many reports of left turn victims seem to be about women. If there is a pattern, what are men doing differently? They probably cut the corner across the pavement, scattering women, children and the elderly, and threatening those who don't move out of the way quick enough. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:19:04 +0100, Judith
wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:13:13 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:34:08 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:36:24 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. http://road.cc/content/news/12315-dr...-lorrys-wheels Can you quote the part of that report which states the cyclist was undertaking or had undertaken the truck? Failing that, can you quote the part of that report which suggests the cyclist was undertaking or had undertaken the truck? Yes: "The driver was in the cycle box so we couldn't get in front" therefore the cyclists came up the inside. That suggests nothing of the sort. It suggests this: The cyclists were in the cycle box when the truck pulled alongside by going into the cycle box. The cyclists could not get ahead of the truck because that would mean going leaving the cycle box. Oh dear : "If Miss Fernandez was five metres ahead in the cycling box Mr Grant would have seen her." But she couldn't be five metres ahead because the truck was there. If the truck was there she hadn't undertaken. If she had undertaken she would have been ahead. |
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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message ... "If Miss Fernandez was five metres ahead in the cycling box Mr Grant would have seen her." But she couldn't be five metres ahead because the truck was there. If the truck was there she hadn't undertaken. If she had undertaken she would have been ahead. Perhaps she was in the process of undertaking the truck, makes no difference who was where first, if you have a truck on your right shoulder and still proceed across a junction where he may turn left, you're an idiot. When all is said and done, if you're stopped at lights with a left-turn on a bike and a truck pulls up to your right, the sensible thing to do would be to wait until the truck pulls well clear, watch it either turn left or go straight on, and only *then* pull away yourself. Forget all the nonsense about stop lines and green boxes, they're only there to make you feel more important and give you the illusion that you're going to get somewhere quicker. It's amazing how self-important cyclists have such disregard for their own safety and would rather cut 3.2 seconds off their journey than apply some common sense. Would you cycle on the road up the inside of a truck across a junction where he may turn left? I wouldn't, I'd wait until the truck had passed, nobody in their right mind would straddle themselves across a left-turn with an HGV on their right shoulder. It's suicidal. If you're waiting at the lights and the truck pulls alongside to your right, then just wait for it to bugger off, he can't squash you if you stay still until he passes. The world won't end if you're a few seconds late, but it will (for you) if you're a stupid ****. |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:36:24 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. http://road.cc/content/news/12315-dr...-lorrys-wheels Running out of contemporary blood to lick, saddo? |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:45:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote: snip But she couldn't be five metres ahead because the truck was there. If the truck was there she hadn't undertaken. If she had undertaken she would have been ahead. An inquest heard how Argentinian-born Miss Fernandez, a PR student at the London College of Communication who lived in Stepney Green, was cycling with Mr Rispoli when they rode up beside the lorry. http://www.standard.co.uk Get that : "when they rode up beside the lorry" You really should stop getting your cycling news from cycling web sites: use news sources like everyone else. It's most odd how that bit was missing from the report you quote. Or did you mean " If she had undertaken she would have been dead" - which is of course what happened.. |
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On 17/07/2013 09:13, Bertie Wooster wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote: This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. http://road.cc/content/news/12315-dr...-lorrys-wheels Can you quote the part of that report which states the cyclist was undertaking or had undertaken the truck? Failing that, can you quote the part of that report which suggests the cyclist was undertaking or had undertaken the truck? A reasonable inference if - and only if - the lorry was a regular RHD model for use on British roads. Did you see this bit? QUOTE Deputy coroner Gail Elliman said: “The lorry wasn't stopped in the right place. If Miss Fernandez was five metres ahead in the cycling box Mr Grant would have seen her. But the [lorry's] indicator could have been seen by Miss Fernandez. Caution might have been exercised if she believed it was going to turn left.” ENDQUOTE "left"... And there's this from someone who was the QUOTE: Riccardo Rispoli ... was cycling with her at the time of the crash in June... Speaking after the verdict, Mr Rispoli, a yacht designer, said: ... “I do not blame the driver...". Of course, he has the disadvantage of actually having been there. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:47:31 +0100, Judith
wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:45:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip But she couldn't be five metres ahead because the truck was there. If the truck was there she hadn't undertaken. If she had undertaken she would have been ahead. An inquest heard how Argentinian-born Miss Fernandez, a PR student at the London College of Communication who lived in Stepney Green, was cycling with Mr Rispoli when they rode up beside the lorry. http://www.standard.co.uk So a different report, then. And no undertaking, perhaps a partial undertake. Get that : "when they rode up beside the lorry" You really should stop getting your cycling news from cycling web sites: use news sources like everyone else. It's most odd how that bit was missing from the report you quote. Or did you mean " If she had undertaken she would have been dead" - which is of course what happened.. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:57:15 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:47:31 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:45:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip But she couldn't be five metres ahead because the truck was there. If the truck was there she hadn't undertaken. If she had undertaken she would have been ahead. An inquest heard how Argentinian-born Miss Fernandez, a PR student at the London College of Communication who lived in Stepney Green, was cycling with Mr Rispoli when they rode up beside the lorry. http://www.standard.co.uk So a different report, then. A report in a "newspaper" not in a cycling web page. It looks like the web page author was economical with the truth as they even referenced the standard web page from which they had selectively copied the report. Odd that - how they missed out the bit of her stupidly riding up the side of the lorry. -- Bertie Wooster's real name is Tom Crispin. He uses the name Bertie Wooster so that people involved with Young Lewisham and Greenwich Cyclists can't see what a tosser he is. |
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On Wednesday, 17 July 2013 18:34:46 UTC+1, Squashme wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:36:24 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. http://road.cc/content/news/12315-dr...-lorrys-wheels Running out of contemporary blood to lick, saddo? Oh, it's only four years ago, I'm sure he'll have dug up something much older. |
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On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:52:30 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 July 2013 18:34:46 UTC+1, Squashme wrote: On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:36:24 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: This could have been avoided totally if the cyclist had not gone up the inside. Drivers just do not realise how stupid cyclists can be. http://road.cc/content/news/12315-dr...-lorrys-wheels Running out of contemporary blood to lick, saddo? Oh, it's only four years ago, I'm sure he'll have dug up something much older. Yes, well, he has this strange and partial appetite. As we speak he's probably digging up some dead cyclist who ****ed up in Rarotonga or Sverdlovsk. He's totally disinterr-ested, of course. |
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