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Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?



 
 
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Old August 30th 13, 09:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

Mr Williams said: “He was wearing dark clothing and didn’t have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.

“He was cycling quickly in Tan Lane and crossed the road in front of Mrs
Roberts.............. at about 10.20pm on May 11."



http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-in-stourport/
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Old August 30th 13, 10:27 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Andy Watson
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

In article ,
Mrcheerful wrote:

Mr Williams said: ³He was wearing dark clothing and didn¹t have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.

³He was cycling quickly in Tan Lane and crossed the road in front of Mrs
Roberts.............. at about 10.20pm on May 11."



http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...lmet-died-afte
r-car-collision-in-stourport/


Of what relevance is the lack of a helmet?
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Old August 30th 13, 10:29 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...

Looks more like the moral of the story is that it is usually a good idea to
look for other traffic when pulling out of a junction. Y'know, a behaviour
that often marks out stupid people when they're being "motorists".

Mr Williams said: "He was wearing dark clothing and didn't have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.


Why would that have made a difference, given that lights and hi-viz don't
show up through buildings? With poor sightlines compounded by large items of
abandoned property reducing road width, the obvious conclusion is that the
driver was going too fast for the conditions, unable to make a reasonable
response to the mistakes of other road users. (On the basis of the view in
Streetview, 25mph looks too fast, even in daylight.) If a Transit really was
parked "on the right" was the driver/owner done for parking on double
yellows?


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Old August 30th 13, 10:38 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mentalguy2k8[_2_]
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?


"Andy Watson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mrcheerful wrote:

Mr Williams said: ³He was wearing dark clothing and didn¹t have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.

³He was cycling quickly in Tan Lane and crossed the road in front of Mrs
Roberts.............. at about 10.20pm on May 11."



http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...lmet-died-afte
r-car-collision-in-stourport/


Of what relevance is the lack of a helmet?


People who blatantly disregard their own lives are less likely to value
other people's.

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Old August 30th 13, 10:40 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Andy Watson
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

In article ,
"Mentalguy2k8" wrote:

"Andy Watson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mrcheerful wrote:

Mr Williams said: ³He was wearing dark clothing and didn¹t have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.

³He was cycling quickly in Tan Lane and crossed the road in front of Mrs
Roberts.............. at about 10.20pm on May 11."



http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-helmet-died-a
fte
r-car-collision-in-stourport/


Of what relevance is the lack of a helmet?


People who blatantly disregard their own lives are less likely to value
other people's.


Since there is no compelling or conclusive evidence that helmets save
lives, there is thus no proof that a person who does not wear a helmet
does not 'value [his] own [life]'.
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Old August 30th 13, 10:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

On 30/08/2013 10:29, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...

Looks more like the moral of the story is that it is usually a good idea to
look for other traffic when pulling out of a junction. Y'know, a behaviour
that often marks out stupid people when they're being "motorists".

Mr Williams said: "He was wearing dark clothing and didn't have a crash
helmet or lights on his bike.


Why would that have made a difference, given that lights and hi-viz don't
show up through buildings? With poor sightlines compounded by large items of
abandoned property reducing road width, the obvious conclusion is that the
driver was going too fast for the conditions, unable to make a reasonable
response to the mistakes of other road users. (On the basis of the view in
Streetview, 25mph looks too fast, even in daylight.) If a Transit really was
parked "on the right" was the driver/owner done for parking on double
yellows?


perhaps it was broken down, or delivering, or perhaps the double yellows
don't apply at that time of night.

I agree that two people have made a mistake, but the cyclist made the
largest one.
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Old August 30th 13, 11:13 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

"Mrcheerful" wrote

I agree that two people have made a mistake, but the cyclist made the
largest one.


I don't take issue with that but I asked for reasoning for the thread title.

The sarcasm you add every time you link a newspaper report just marks you
out as a deliberate mischief maker, not someone interested in cycle safety
as you try to claim. You get the contempt you deserve.



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Old August 30th 13, 11:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

On 30/08/2013 11:13, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote

I agree that two people have made a mistake, but the cyclist made the
largest one.


I don't take issue with that but I asked for reasoning for the thread title.

The sarcasm you add every time you link a newspaper report just marks you
out as a deliberate mischief maker, not someone interested in cycle safety
as you try to claim. You get the contempt you deserve.



Do you think that the cyclist was acting sensibly, or stupidly?
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Old August 30th 13, 11:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?

"Mrcheerful" wrote
On 30/08/2013 11:13, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote

I agree that two people have made a mistake, but the cyclist made the
largest one.


I don't take issue with that but I asked for reasoning for the thread
title.

The sarcasm you add every time you link a newspaper report just marks you
out as a deliberate mischief maker, not someone interested in cycle
safety
as you try to claim. You get the contempt you deserve.


Do you think that the cyclist was acting sensibly, or stupidly?


You started the thread and made a sarcastic comment. It is reasonable for
you to explain what's going on in your mind, not expect other people to be
telepathic.


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Old August 30th 13, 12:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Partac[_10_]
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Default Fast, dark, no lights, no helmet. Why are cyclists so stupid?



"TMS320" wrote in message ...

"Mrcheerful" wrote

I agree that two people have made a mistake, but the cyclist made the
largest one.


I don't take issue with that but I asked for reasoning for the thread title.

The sarcasm you add every time you link a newspaper report just marks you
out as a deliberate mischief maker, not someone interested in cycle safety
as you try to claim. You get the contempt you deserve.

And in your psycholist's world, that means anyone who disagrees with you, or
is in the least bit critical of psycholist's bad behaviour.


 




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