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NE1 heard of these "Velorazzo" frames?
I see these Velorazzo frames on eBay, and I'm just wondering if anyone has
heard of them. I would assume these aren't top of the line, but how would they compare to a GT Ricochet or GT Aggressor frame? I'm only a part time rider, not too serious, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I do need to get a smaller frame for my GT Ricochet. Would this Velorazzo TereMoto be an option for me? Be gentle with me! Bob |
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"U-Bob" wrote in message
. .. I see these Velorazzo frames on eBay, and I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of them. I would assume these aren't top of the line, but how would they compare to a GT Ricochet or GT Aggressor frame? I'm only a part time rider, not too serious, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I do need to get a smaller frame for my GT Ricochet. Would this Velorazzo TereMoto be an option for me? Be gentle with me! No way to tell. It's impossible to judge the frame without knowing more about it, riding it, destruction-testing it. Might be good, might not be. My bet is that it would hold up just fine; but it might not be a light frame. Geometry would be deciding factor. Is it adjusted for a 65mm fork? 120mm fork? Is the top tube long or short? Geometry, more than any other factor, is what separates the good frames from the unacceptable frames, and it's entirely a matter of personal taste. I prefer Kona's classic Joe Murray frame design (which has become very common, I've heard). Not everybody agrees. There are container loads of aluminum-framed bikes being imported into North America, with dozens of boutique brand names as well as big brand names. Most come from China or Taiwan, including the ones labelled "Kona", "GT", "Schwinn", "Specialized" and other well-known brands. Even the lowest-end aluminum frames I've seen in recent years appear to be well constructed (if the "eyeball alignment table" is any judge). They're often built in gigantic high-output, automated factories, with mid/high end frames being built on the same factory lines as low/mid end frames. Same welders, same frame jigs, similar QC. As others have pointed out, the difference between a high-end bike and a low-end bike - aside from the tubing - is likely to be the percentage of rejects that are allowed. More high-end frames end up in the dumpster than low-end frames. OTOH: If QC remains high via automation, the fewer frames from all production runs will end up in the dumpster. In highly automated facilities, there's a likelihood that virtually all frames are acceptable. Human errors are reduced greatly through robotic automation. I don't know if these imported frames are robotically welded; but I'd bet money that they are, from looking at the perfectly-consistent welds. The welds aren't pretty; but they're consistent. You want pretty? Buy a Merlin, Seven, IF, Soulcraft, Moots, etc. Bottom line: If you like taking chances, try a Velorazzo frame. If not, buy what you know will work. I've done both, and have been pleasantly surprised more often than not. It's a gamble. -=B=- |
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"B. Sanders" wrote in message news:08odb.601367$Ho3.118011@sccrnsc03... "U-Bob" wrote in message . .. I see these Velorazzo frames on eBay, and I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of them. I would assume these aren't top of the line, but how would they compare to a GT Ricochet or GT Aggressor frame? I'm only a part time rider, not too serious, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I do need to get a smaller frame for my GT Ricochet. Would this Velorazzo TereMoto be an option for me? Be gentle with me! No way to tell. It's impossible to judge the frame without knowing more about it, riding it, destruction-testing it. Might be good, might not be. My bet is that it would hold up just fine; but it might not be a light frame. Geometry would be deciding factor. Is it adjusted for a 65mm fork? 120mm fork? Is the top tube long or short? Geometry, more than any other factor, is what separates the good frames from the unacceptable frames, and it's entirely a matter of personal taste. I prefer Kona's classic Joe Murray frame design (which has become very common, I've heard). Not everybody agrees. There are container loads of aluminum-framed bikes being imported into North America, with dozens of boutique brand names as well as big brand names. Most come from China or Taiwan, including the ones labelled "Kona", "GT", "Schwinn", "Specialized" and other well-known brands. Even the lowest-end aluminum frames I've seen in recent years appear to be well constructed (if the "eyeball alignment table" is any judge). They're often built in gigantic high-output, automated factories, with mid/high end frames being built on the same factory lines as low/mid end frames. Same welders, same frame jigs, similar QC. As others have pointed out, the difference between a high-end bike and a low-end bike - aside from the tubing - is likely to be the percentage of rejects that are allowed. More high-end frames end up in the dumpster than low-end frames. OTOH: If QC remains high via automation, the fewer frames from all production runs will end up in the dumpster. In highly automated facilities, there's a likelihood that virtually all frames are acceptable. Human errors are reduced greatly through robotic automation. I don't know if these imported frames are robotically welded; but I'd bet money that they are, from looking at the perfectly-consistent welds. The welds aren't pretty; but they're consistent. Follow-up: I tried to locate good info on who-is-using-what technologies for mass fabrication of aluminum frames. Here's an article about Raleigh Canada and their laser cutting and automated robotic welding technologies (they don't talk about materials much). This article claims that imported frames are hand-welded. It's certainly possible; but the machine-like consistency of the welds on many imported bikes has me wondering. In any case, this should be interesting reading if you're curious about how they actually make bike frames. http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/109505.html -=B=- |
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"B. Sanders" wrote in message
news:08odb.601367$Ho3.118011@sccrnsc03... "U-Bob" wrote in message There are container loads of aluminum-framed bikes being imported into North America, with dozens of boutique brand names as well as big brand names. Most come from China or Taiwan, including the ones labelled "Kona", "GT", "Schwinn", "Specialized" and other well-known brands. Even the lowest-end aluminum frames I've seen in recent years appear to be well constructed (if the "eyeball alignment table" is any judge). They're often built in gigantic high-output, automated factories, with mid/high end frames being built on the same factory lines as low/mid end frames. Same welders, same frame jigs, similar QC. As others have pointed out, the difference between a high-end bike and a low-end bike - aside from the tubing - is likely to be the percentage of rejects that are allowed. More high-end frames end up in the dumpster than low-end frames. -=B=- Son of a bitch, do you even know what "truth" or "facts" mean? Do yourself a favor and find http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/ a meeting near you. -- Slacker |
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NE1 heard of these "Velorazzo" frames?
U-Bob said...
I see these Velorazzo frames on eBay, and I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of them. I would assume these aren't top of the line, but how would they compare to a GT Ricochet or GT Aggressor frame? I'm only a part time rider, not too serious, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I do need to get a smaller frame for my GT Ricochet. Would this Velorazzo TereMoto be an option for me? Be gentle with me! Bob Be advised that Barry Sanders is full of crap, but you probably already figured that out from his windy post where he speaks endlessly about that which he admits he knows nothing about. If you have never heard of it, and it is sold mostly on eBay, rest assured it is crap. Go to a bike shop and get a Raleigh, Giant, Trek or whatever in your price range and be happy. |
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SuperSlinky says (with,surprising acuity...):
Be advised that Barry Sanders is full of crap, but you probably already figured that out from his windy post where he speaks endlessly about that which he admits he knows nothing about. If you have never heard of it, and it is sold mostly on eBay, rest assured it is crap. Go to a bike shop and get a Raleigh, Giant, Trek or whatever in your price range and be happy. What he said :-) Steve |
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"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
... SuperSlinky says (with,surprising acuity...): Be advised that Barry Sanders is full of crap, but you probably already figured that out from his windy post where he speaks endlessly about that which he admits he knows nothing about. If you have never heard of it, and it is sold mostly on eBay, rest assured it is crap. Go to a bike shop and get a Raleigh, Giant, Trek or whatever in your price range and be happy. What he said :-) Steve Too funny.... I was just typing the exact same thing, smiley and all. -- Slacker - hope this doesn't mean I'm getting old |
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Slacker says:
Too funny.... I was just typing the exact same thing, smiley and all. -- Slacker - hope this doesn't mean I'm getting old Nah - it means I'm getting younger. ;-)) Steve |
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"Super Slinky" wrote in message
t... U-Bob said... I see these Velorazzo frames on eBay, and I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of them. I would assume these aren't top of the line, but how would they compare to a GT Ricochet or GT Aggressor frame? I'm only a part time rider, not too serious, so I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I do need to get a smaller frame for my GT Ricochet. Would this Velorazzo TereMoto be an option for me? Be gentle with me! Bob Be advised that Barry Sanders is full of crap You have a problem. I suggest counseling. but you probably already figured that out from his windy post where he speaks endlessly about that which he admits he knows nothing about. LOL! Another hilariously infantile attempt at criticism. Too bad it's just as fictional as the rest of the ignorance that you and your hateful ilk spew on this NG. Get a life, loser. -=B=- |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:18:58 GMT, "B. Sanders"
wrote: "Super Slinky" wrote in message Get a life, loser. Loser, defined: An idiot that posts something like this: " As others have pointed out, the difference between a high-end bike and a low-end bike - aside from the tubing - is likely to be the percentage of rejects that are allowed." How can you be so ****ing clueless and still be alive? I would have thought that you would have stuck your head into a buzz saw, cement mixer, propellor, or vat of acid by now, given your posts. pete fagerlin ::Revolutionary! Evolutionary! Yet so retro! ::www.yestubes.com |
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