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Old March 2nd 09, 07:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Kurgan Gringioni
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The Dow opened at under 7000 today. The high was over 14,000.

Nothing the matter with the economy. Nothing at all.

STOP THE FEAR MONGERING!
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Old March 2nd 09, 07:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
The Dow opened at under 7000 today. The high was over 14,000.

Nothing the matter with the economy. Nothing at all.

STOP THE FEAR MONGERING!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-oaKfEe8Cg

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Old March 2nd 09, 08:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Mar 2, 1:03*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
The Dow opened at under 7000 today. The high was over 14,000.

Nothing the matter with the economy. Nothing at all.

STOP THE FEAR MONGERING!


Yep, guess if the government doesn't hand over trillions in pork
tomorrow to all the folks who got us into this, with little to no
oversight then we'll instantly, overnight become Etheopia which is
pretty much the line coming out of the WH on all this.
Sorry, don't buy it. My guess is more measured, controlled,
thoughtful, action doesn't mean that the lucky ones will at least have
dog carts to drive next week if we go that route.
This is the same as the AlQaeda and the Islamic Fundamentalists are
going to wipe out America as we know it and take over here if we don't
just sign a blank check for the Patriot Act and all the rest of the
**** that got passed in that panic.
When they are insisting that Congressmen have to vote to pass this
without even giving them the time to read the thousands of pages,
"trust us", then that's beyond ****ed up, but hey if it works for you
folks.
We get what we deserve.
Bill C
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Old March 2nd 09, 08:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
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Bill C wrote:
On Mar 2, 1:03 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
The Dow opened at under 7000 today. The high was over 14,000.

Nothing the matter with the economy. Nothing at all.

STOP THE FEAR MONGERING!


Yep, guess if the government doesn't hand over trillions in pork
tomorrow to all the folks who got us into this, with little to no
oversight then we'll instantly, overnight become Etheopia which is
pretty much the line coming out of the WH on all this.
Sorry, don't buy it. My guess is more measured, controlled,
thoughtful, action doesn't mean that the lucky ones will at least have
dog carts to drive next week if we go that route.
This is the same as the AlQaeda and the Islamic Fundamentalists are
going to wipe out America as we know it and take over here if we don't
just sign a blank check for the Patriot Act and all the rest of the
**** that got passed in that panic.
When they are insisting that Congressmen have to vote to pass this
without even giving them the time to read the thousands of pages,
"trust us", then that's beyond ****ed up, but hey if it works for you
folks.
We get what we deserve.
Bill C



Our kids get what we deserve.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
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718-258-5001
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Old March 2nd 09, 08:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Paul G.
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On Mar 2, 11:34*am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
On Mar 2, 1:03 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
The Dow opened at under 7000 today. The high was over 14,000.


Nothing the matter with the economy. Nothing at all.


STOP THE FEAR MONGERING!


Yep, guess if the government doesn't hand over trillions in pork
tomorrow to all the folks who got us into this, with little to no
oversight then we'll instantly, overnight become Etheopia which is
pretty much the line coming out of the WH on all this.
*Sorry, don't buy it. My guess is more measured, controlled,
thoughtful, action doesn't mean that the lucky ones will at least have
dog carts to drive next week if we go that route.
*This is the same as the AlQaeda and the Islamic Fundamentalists are
going to wipe out America as we know it and take over here if we don't
just sign a blank check for the Patriot Act and all the rest of the
**** that got passed in that panic.
*When they are insisting that Congressmen have to vote to pass this
without even giving them the time to read the thousands of pages,
"trust us", then that's beyond ****ed up, but hey if it works for you
folks.
*We get what we deserve.
*Bill C


Our kids get what we deserve.


Well said. It's not just kids. Imagine having done 3 tours in Iraq,
getting out of the military and realizing that since the cost of the
war was all charged on the national credit card, you're also going to
pay for it for the rest of your life.

-Paul


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Old March 2nd 09, 08:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Paul G.
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On Mar 2, 11:00*am, Bill C wrote:

*When they are insisting that Congressmen have to vote to pass this
without even giving them the time to read the thousands of pages,
"trust us", then that's beyond ****ed up, but hey if it works for you
folks.


Practical consideration- how long do you figure it would take all 500+
members of Congress to read those thousands of pages? What would
happen in the meantime?
-Paul
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Old March 2nd 09, 09:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Mar 2, 2:40*pm, "Paul G." wrote:
On Mar 2, 11:00*am, Bill C wrote:

*When they are insisting that Congressmen have to vote to pass this
without even giving them the time to read the thousands of pages,
"trust us", then that's beyond ****ed up, but hey if it works for you
folks.


Practical consideration- how long do you figure it would take all 500+
members of Congress to read those thousands of pages? *What would
happen in the meantime?
-Paul


Couple of weeks, maybe a month. In the meantime contain the fires as
best as possible, make the case that we are going to go into this with
a plan, the best possible advice, solid controls we haven't had in the
past, etc... Take a little bit of time to make sure all the ducks are
at least in a gaggle where you can line them up, and it looks like a
plan, not a kneejerk panic reaction.
The point here is that, just like the Bushco "security" crap there's
sure to be a ton of stuff in there that individual Congresscritters
and groups, and the administration slipped in that they don't want out
in the open until it's too late and the **** is passed.
There was NO need for the panic mongering after 9/11 and we'll be
paying that pice for generations, and I think the same for this.
The panic promises and the mad cash dumps already made haven't even
really slowed the crash much, what they have made clear is that there
is no real plan in place.
All sounds way too familiar, and as you point out our people here
now, and our grandkids will be paying the price for this stuff.
In FDR's defense, and you know what I think of him, he took time
while putting out the flareups, made a huge public show of bringing
together the best minds available, putting together the best people he
could find, and getting together with them to pretty publicy develop a
policy and plan that was well thought out and reasoned, no matter what
you actually think of the plan.
As Kurgan points out the stock market is a confidence game, and FDR
built confidence Obama says "trust me". Big difference.
Bill C
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Old March 2nd 09, 09:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Tom Kunich
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"Bill C" wrote in message
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There was NO need for the panic mongering after 9/11 and we'll be
paying that pice for generations, and I think the same for this.


What? Are you saying that we shouldn't have elected an avowed socialist into
office and then act surprised when he is destroying our system of
government?

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Old March 2nd 09, 10:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_2_]
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Tom Kunich wrote:

What? Are you saying that we shouldn't have elected an avowed
socialist into office and then act surprised when he is destroying
our system of government?


You hoping our President fails?


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Old March 2nd 09, 10:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Mike Jacoubowsky
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
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"Bill C" wrote in message
...

There was NO need for the panic mongering after 9/11 and we'll be
paying that pice for generations, and I think the same for this.


What? Are you saying that we shouldn't have elected an avowed
socialist into office and then act surprised when he is destroying our
system of government?


Tom: It's not our system of government that's been destroyed by Obama.
It's our way of life that had been destroyed by those in power the last
umpteen years, believing that regulation was bad, capitalism would take
care of itself. Which it would, if not for the information gap.
Information is everything, and the information that things were going
bad was kept very tight for a very long time.

What about the alternatives to what Obama has been pushing? For example,
just let things fall apart and pick up the pieces. Let those who have
profited from shady dealings collapse rather than be rescued. The
economy would come to a standstill very quickly indeed. Business as
usual would no longer be.

But...

Would it actually be worse than prolonging things as we are now, looking
for the bottom but not knowing what the bottom looks like? Wanting so
badly to start "recovering" but because we keep throwing band-aids out
there, that recovery from the bottom is further off?

There's going to be a lot of pain no matter what. The biggest difference
between this "recession" and those of the past is that I usually didn't
even know we were in a recession before until somebody defined it later.
Not this time.

OK, but let's get back to a specific "socialist" act of the current
administration.

Should the government own 80% of AIG, or should it have let it fail?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
...
"Bill C" wrote in message
...

There was NO need for the panic mongering after 9/11 and we'll be
paying that pice for generations, and I think the same for this.


What? Are you saying that we shouldn't have elected an avowed
socialist into office and then act surprised when he is destroying our
system of government?



 




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