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"Top Sirloin" wrote in message ... Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? Only when you recognize that white people may be better than black people at certain things. It's fine for you to state that black people are better at sprinting and basketball, but if you say that white people are better at cycling and swimming then you're a racist. :-) You're supposed to not notice things like that. |
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"Gooserider" wrote in message
om... "Top Sirloin" wrote in message ... Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? Only when you recognize that white people may be better than black people at certain things. It's fine for you to state that black people are better at sprinting and basketball, but if you say that white people are better at cycling and swimming then you're a racist. :-) You're supposed to not notice things like that. Like what? (how'd I do?) ps |
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Howard Kveck wrote:
In article , Richard Adams wrote: Howard Kveck wrote: http://www.nationallampoon.com/modst...ass/badass.asp Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny. I'm old and showing my age. It seemed like they decided tht the more words they put out, the funnier it would be. But by the time you got to the end of an article, you'd forgotten why it should be funny. The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to see what's in them today. I'd say they're killing the magazine. It's pretty rank now. No more Dave Berg (he's dead, too bad). Some of the movie parodies were hilarious. "Cool Hand Luke" = "Blue Eyed Kook". It would be interesting to see Don Martin or Sergio Aragones give the TdF their usual treatment. Don left the magazine, then a while back he left this mortal coil. Sergio's still busy, but his best work seems to be on his own. |
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In article ,
Top Sirloin wrote: Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? "Race" is entirely a social construct, which has nothing to do with physiology whatsoever. Consider this: the dove and the pigeon are identical, the exact same species with the same biology, and they can produce fertile offspring. But they segregate themselves, just like we humans do, because they look different... -Sonarrat. |
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Howard Kveck wrote:
In article , (erik saunders) wrote: rony martias is from guadaloupe and he is in brioches la boulangere... his best friend yoanne gene who is also black will probably join him next year... clain is brown too, yeah... we were down for the brown back in the day... A friend used to say, "We're brown, we're down and we're comin' to your town..." By the way, how about a race report, Erik? Are you kidding? I was suprised to see his post. He must be exhausted. Hopefully after he's had a rest he can enlighten us. |
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"Sonarrat" wrote in message ... In article , Top Sirloin wrote: Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? "Race" is entirely a social construct, which has nothing to do with physiology whatsoever. Consider this: the dove and the pigeon are identical, the exact same species with the same biology, and they can produce fertile offspring. But they segregate themselves, just like we humans do, because they look different... -Sonarrat. screw race. let's talk about population groups. people of west african descent are better sprinters because of genetics. period otoh, east africans suck. they are both black. but very different population groups. race is not an "entirely social construct" but that's another issue. whit |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:33:53 -0700, "marbury"
wrote: "Sonarrat" wrote in message ... In article , Top Sirloin wrote: Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? "Race" is entirely a social construct, which has nothing to do with physiology whatsoever. Consider this: the dove and the pigeon are identical, the exact same species with the same biology, and they can produce fertile offspring. But they segregate themselves, just like we humans do, because they look different... -Sonarrat. screw race. let's talk about population groups. people of west african descent are better sprinters because of genetics. period otoh, east africans suck. they are both black. but very different population groups. race is not an "entirely social construct" but that's another issue. Didn't the Arabs do quite a bit of slave trading in East Africa a few centuries back? Maybe east Africans aren't entirely "African". And then you've also got those black Ethiopian Jews. Anyhow, there's quite a bit of racial diversity in Africa I suppose. Reeelly reeelly short, and reeelly reeelly tall. Smashed in flat noses, and highly pronounced honkers. Interesting to say the least. Proton Soup |
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In article ,
Sonarrat wrote: in article , Steven L. Sheffield at wrote on 4/24/04 5:41 PM: On 04/24/2004 05:07 PM, in article , "Sonarrat" wrote: In article , Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS wrote: Sonarrat wrote: No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going It's a racial question, not a racist question. ra·cial*adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races. 2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups: racial conflict; racial discrimination. rac·ist adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. You're badly misreading those definitions, Sonarrat. Def. 2 of "racial" is "Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups". Two usage examples are given, "racial conflict" and "racial discrimination" So, racial discrimination is racist, but racial participation disparities are not necessarily due to racial discrimination. The salient examples here are pro basketball, which is a disproportionately black-dominated sport; and pro cycling, a substantially white (and for that matter, European) sport, participant-wise. There are obvious cultural reasons for these racial disparities, like the fact that there aren't that many blacks in cycling-mad Europe, and aside from Major Taylor, there aren't a lot of black role models in cycling. Also, basketball has a place in Afro-American culture that rivals the place of hockey in Canadian culture (as sport which, weirdly enough, has a surprising (albeit small) number of black or partly black players, including notables like Grant Fuhr and Jarome frigging Iginla, who just about singlehandedly knocked my beloved Canucks out of the playoffs with his performance as best player on the Calgary Flames (he's a local boy there, having been raised in Alberta). There may also be a physiological component, though I suspect it is dwarfed by cultural considerations. Average bone density among whites and Asians is lower than for blacks, which is why being white or Asian is a risk factor for osteoperosis (along with smoking, being female, and consuming certain medications). Bone density is an advantage in most impact sports, and is probably dead weight in cycling (right up until you fall off your bike and break your hip...). In fact, cyclists have to be careful to drink their milk and do some impact activities. So get your daily prescription of freeriding in, kids. -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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Top Sirloin wrote:
It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? Can you suggest a scientific reference? There is greater genetic diversity within "racial" (or geographical) groups of humans than between groups. Racial categories correlate pretty well with skin color, eye color, hair, and not much else. (Other than the inability to jump. No, wait, before I say that, how's your vertical?) P.S. We've had this discussion before in rbr, and it has evolved into among other things, a question of whether Tony Cruz counts or not, and what that says about the malleability of racial categories. |
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Sonarrat wrote:
In article , Top Sirloin wrote: Sonarrat wrote: The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag. Why, are you the Usenet police? It's well known that different races have many differences physiologically besides skin color, some of which accounts for the dominance of certain racial groups in specific sports. Does the recognition of reality make me a racist? "Race" is entirely a social construct, which has nothing to do with physiology whatsoever. Consider this: the dove and the pigeon are identical, the exact same species with the same biology, and they can produce fertile offspring. But they segregate themselves, just like we humans do, because they look different... We're going to segregate you from the smart peopele b/c you are a ****ing moron. Race is entirely a social construct? Take your PC bull**** and cram it up your socially constructed bung. Lyle |
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