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Old August 23rd 07, 06:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Shouldn't that be life expectancy at death?

Dan
Besides,
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/e0-d5-2.png

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Old August 23rd 07, 06:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Aug 23, 10:35 am, Dan Connelly
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Shouldn't that be life expectancy at death?


Nope. It's a period measure, not a cohort measure.

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Old August 23rd 07, 06:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Aug 23, 9:28 am, "
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On Aug 23, 4:49 pm, wrote:



On Aug 23, 7:05 am, "


wrote:
On Aug 23, 2:51 pm, wrote:


On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck


One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
nuts.


Just sayin'.


Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.


I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
lemon chicken.


Everyone in Cuba has great healthcare, right?


Of course not. Only detainees at Guantanamo get great healthcare and
lemon chicken.


Besides,http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo...anonymous.cowa...


They get free haircuts too.

The by state plot was interesting. Can you make a per capita
expenditure one by state?


Can you supply the data?

Meanwhile,
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/insured.png

And, of course, the Weiner chart:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/fat-vote.png



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Old August 23rd 07, 07:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Aug 23, 11:01 am, Dan Connelly
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On Aug 23, 10:35 am, Dan Connelly
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Shouldn't that be life expectancy at death?


Nope. It's a period measure, not a cohort measure.


Not many who were born in 2007 have as yet lived to be 80 years old. So for what year?


Take the first course here to find out:
http://www.demog.berkeley.edu/course...07courses.html

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Old August 23rd 07, 07:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Shouldn't that be life expectancy at death?


Is this a serious question?


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Old August 23rd 07, 08:01 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Dan Connelly
Not many who were born in 2007 have as yet lived to be 80 years old. So for what year?


rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
Take the first course here to find out:
http://www.demog.berkeley.edu/course...07courses.html


One more academic for the poor SLAVE to support.
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Old August 23rd 07, 09:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Ah. Yes. I guess I'll amend what I wrote earlier.

Two of the things I like best about living and working in Berkeley
a 1) it drives Tom nuts; and 2) Tom and Greg are paying my salary.
Thanks, guys.

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Old August 23rd 07, 10:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Jim Flom wrote:
"Dan Connelly" wrote in message
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Shouldn't that be life expectancy at death?


Is this a serious question?



Well, I suppose I'll have to take Robert's course, after I enroll at Berkeley.

But the problem is there is no information for how long those born in 2007 are expected to live. There is, however, full information on how long those who died in 2006 were expected to live. But this is a problem: it includes those born all the way from, say, 1896 to 2006, hardly similar circumstances. You can track how long those who were born in, say, 1896 lived, then make educated guesses for successive years, with successively less complete data, until 2007, when you have essentially only infant mortality data, a small component.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

Note that no allowance has been made in this calculation for expected changes in life expectancy in the future. Usually when life expectancy figures are quoted, they have been calculated like this with no allowance for expected future changes. This means that quoted life expectancy figures are not generally appropriate for calculating how long any given individual of a particular age is expected to live, as they effectively assume that current death rates will be "frozen" and not change in the future. Instead, life expectancy figures can be thought of as a useful statistic to summarize the current health status of a population. Some models do exist to account for the evolution of mortality (e.g., the Lee-Carter model[10]).

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So basically, "life expectency at birth" is not the expectation (barring outlier events like nuclear war) value of someone born today. It's of "an extinct cohort".

Dan
 




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