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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Bill C" wrote in message ... Noone is buying that the actions so far are going to stabilize or fix the situation, or that there is a long term plan in place. He's generating no confidence at all from the people in the markets, business, or the general public by the current approach. It's worse than that. Remember that Roosevelt's playing with the market extended the depression for perhaps 8 years longer than it would have lasted without his efforts. That is a Republican myth, no two ways about it. If unemployment was at 24.9% in 1929, when FDR took office, and had dropped to 9% by 1937. At that time, FDR listened to the bankers and slowed the projects that stimulated the economy and started to work on balancing the budget. That lead to the Recession of '37. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_depression.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...20_to_1940.svg Yeah, those graphs certainly show that FDR's policies made the Depression "8 years longer than it would have lasted without his efforts." Lame-o. Hate to say it to Tom , but Madoff was reported to the SEC as early as 2001 and nothing was done, the trail of existing laws and regulations not being enforced, and the government willfully failing to follow the law ran all through Bush's administration. Wouldn't you call that destroying our system of government? You know, I complained about him from the start since he was obviously a Liberal despite having run as a Conservative. Hahahahahahahaha! There's no proof of that based on your posts in this group. Holy crap, what a liar Tom Kunich is. Yep, it's the old "Conservatism never fails, it can only *be* failed" line. I agree that Bush wasn't really conservative - he was actually pretty radical - but he sure as hell was not "Liberal." -- tanx, Howard Caught playing safe It's a bored game remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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On Mar 3, 3:47*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
You know, I complained about him from the start since he was obviously a Liberal despite having run as a Conservative. * *Hahahahahahahaha! There's no proof of that based on your posts in this group. Holy crap, what a liar Tom Kunich is. Yep, it's the old "Conservatism never fails, it can only *be* failed" line. I agree that Bush wasn't really conservative - he was actually pretty radical - but he sure as hell was not "Liberal." Dumbass - The traditional Conservatives (of which Tom Kunich is not one) were against Bush. William F. Buckley (National Review) and Patrick Buchanan, for instance, were against the Iraq War from the start. Bush was a Neoconservative. It is a school of thought which has now been found to be egocentric, intellectually void and ungrounded in the real world. It was doomed to failure. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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On Mar 3, 3:19*pm, William Asher wrote:
William Asher wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: "dave a" wrote in message ... Hold on, I'm losing the play by play here. *You are saying that Bush was a Liberal? *And the problem with the Republican Party is caused by Democrats that joined and pushed out the "real Conservatives"? You never fail to amaze... Dave, perhaps you'd actually look it up before shooting off into never-never-land. During the entire Clinton 8 years at least one Democrat per month crossed over to the Republican Party. They claimed to be "moderates" but many if not most of them were the previous lefties who just couldn't go so far to the left as the party appeared to want. Mind you, since that caused the "Republicans" to rapidly gain control of the Congress, the Clintonistas weren't able to succeed. Now the Clinton's are being made to look like pikers compared to Obama. Watch your savings disappear. Already the word is that there will be a significant drop in the average wage in the USA. Wow. *A hundred or so Democrats became Republicans during Clinton's presidency. *Do you mean in the U.S. Congress, nationally among the general electorate or among your circle of friends? *I'm trying to think of a 100 from Congress, but aside from Barney Frank, Newt Gingrich, Arlen Specter, and Steve Largent I'm drawing a blank. * Just out of curiousity, how many were Congressional Medal of Honor winners who stormed the beaches at Anzio, Iwo Jima, and Wonsan? Actually, I count 7 representatives and 2 senators between 1992 and 2000 who changed affiliations (http://voteview.ucsd.edu/nokken_poole.pdf), 8 Dem, 1 Rep, total. *Of the 8 Dems switching to Rep, 6 were southern Democrats who changed to Republican in 1995, immediately after the Republicans took back both houses in the 1994 elections. *To call their switch a cynical political move rather than a heartfelt expression of deeply held core values would be far far beneath me. * Tom, you need to stay away from facts, they don't suit you. Dumbass - It's amazing to me how some people just make **** up all the time. Seems like there should be some sort of Darwinian mechanism to prevent that sort of behavior. It's gotta be a detriment to optimal function. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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In article , William Asher
wrote: Actually, I count 7 representatives and 2 senators between 1992 and 2000 who changed affiliations (http://voteview.ucsd.edu/nokken_poole.pdf), 8 Dem, 1 Rep, total. Of the 8 Dems switching to Rep, 6 were southern Democrats who changed to Republican in 1995, immediately after the Republicans took back both houses in the 1994 elections. To call their switch a cynical political move rather than a heartfelt expression of deeply held core values would be far far beneath me. Well, consider who they were and what they've done (voting-wise) since. Those factors make a pretty compelling case for "core values." -- tanx, Howard Caught playing safe It's a bored game remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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"K. Gringioni" wrote in message
... The traditional Conservatives (of which Tom Kunich is not one) were against Bush. William F. Buckley (National Review) and Patrick Buchanan, for instance, were against the Iraq War from the start. I seem to recall that you wet your pants and ran and hid during the SFGP on the chance that you'd meet me. Bush was a Neoconservative. It is a school of thought which has now been found to be egocentric, intellectually void and ungrounded in the real world. It was doomed to failure. I've got news for you, idiot, a Neoconservative is STILL preferable to either Al "Tubby" Gore or John "Bad Conduct Discharge, redacted" Kerry. But since you're too stupid to understand - while Bush was easily the best of a bad lot that didn't mean he was a good choice. Though he was so far better than the alternatives that my guess is that even you voted for him. |
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:10:45 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote: Here's something serious for you to consider. Here's something for you to consider. What did you say about Clinton's high spending? And were your right? I don't think you have any credibility on politics or macroeconomics. You and people who believe what you do should just shut up. I'm not saying that as censorship. I'm speaking as I'd speak to an ignorant child who thinks pulling out a tooth will bring the tooth fairy over to help. |
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:33:27 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ulus-harmful-= over-long-haul/ The Washington Times has been so wrong for so long -- point me to something direct from the CBO and I'll look at it. [and, in different order he wrote] Here is one of many articles addressing the subject. Point to some non-ditto article or the CBO. That should be easy since there are so many articles. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
Yet you seem to be alright with running not just constant deficits but increasingly huger ones as well. In much the same way that you're alright with eating babies. |
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dave a wrote:
Hold on, I'm losing the play by play here. You are saying that Bush was a Liberal? And the problem with the Republican Party is caused by Democrats that joined and pushed out the "real Conservatives"? You never fail to amaze... This is the stuff I tune in to the Kunich channel for. It's really creative, in a disturbed sort of way. |
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On Mar 3, 4:13*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"K. Gringioni" wrote in message ... The traditional Conservatives (of which Tom Kunich is not one) were against Bush. William F. Buckley (National Review) and Patrick Buchanan, for instance, were against the Iraq War from the start. I seem to recall that you wet your pants and ran and hid during the SFGP on the chance that you'd meet me. Bush was a Neoconservative. It is a school of thought which has now been found to be egocentric, intellectually void and ungrounded in the real world. It was doomed to failure. I've got news for you, idiot, a Neoconservative is STILL preferable to either Al "Tubby" Gore or John "Bad Conduct Discharge, redacted" Kerry. But since you're too stupid to understand - while Bush was easily the best of a bad lot that didn't mean he was a good choice. Though he was so far better than the alternatives that my guess is that even you voted for him.. Dumbass - Neoconservatism is dead. Even the think tank has shut its doors. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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