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On Sun, 31 May 2009 15:07:52 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote: On May 31, 5:53*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Scott" wrote in message This is just nuts. *First, wins Jr World TT. *Follows it up with World Cup pursuit wins, a ride in the Olympics, AND World Championship pursuit title. *National pursuit and kilo titles. *Now he goes and pulls off the U23 Paris Roubaix win. *What's next for Mini Phinney? *I mean, he's only 18!! *When he figures out what he's really best at, it's gonna be amazing. Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer. Hey can anyone translate that for me? I don't speak idiot You understand it better than you think. TK simply wrote: "I'm an idiot." |
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On May 31, 4:26*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message ... On May 31, 3:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer. Are you suggesting for a moment that the competitors at the various track world cups or track world championships or perhaps the Olympics, weren't the best possible racers??? *The only race I mentioned that was "age-graded" was the Espoirs Paris Roubaix, and it's damn sure not like he's racing against a bunch of slouches three or four years his junior. *He's in his first year in the "espoirs" and he's doing pretty damn well against some of the top competitors four to five years his senior. *Besides, look at the list of previous winners and tell us sincerely that winning that race doesn't mean something. Who was the last great track star that really shown in road racing? Pay attention, Tom, I'm typing slowly so you can keep up. He's EIGHTEEN. He's not a great track star, he's a budding pro cyclist who's yet to determine exactly what he's best at. The fact that he started winning pursuits within just a few months of his first ever ride on a velodrome does not mean he's a trackie, it means he's one gifted SOB and he's got many years to show all the different things he can/will do. Winning the U23 Paris Roubaix at the age of EIGHTEEN is further evidence that he's not a trackie. As for your dumbass statement, let's see... practically any pro who came up through the Soviet or East German or Australian or British jr racing systems. They all focus on track racing and have turned out some pretty good riders. The list includes, but is not limited to Ekimov, O'Grady, Wiggins, Zabel, Cavendish, Boardman, etc, etc, frikkin etc... Oh, Merckx was a pretty good trackie in his day, as I recall. |
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On May 31, 4:33*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message ... On May 31, 3:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer. Are you suggesting for a moment that the competitors at the various track world cups or track world championships or perhaps the Olympics, weren't the best possible racers??? *The only race I mentioned that was "age-graded" was the Espoirs Paris Roubaix, and it's damn sure not like he's racing against a bunch of slouches three or four years his junior. *He's in his first year in the "espoirs" and he's doing pretty damn well against some of the top competitors four to five years his senior. *Besides, look at the list of previous winners and tell us sincerely that winning that race doesn't mean something. And by the way, I wasn't saying that he isn't a good rider or won't be a great rider. I was saying that you can't predict yet what he will become because the level of competition he's been up against is NOT world class. All the world class guys went straight to the pros. Or haven't you noticed guys like Contador were hired by high end professional teams at 22? What part of "he's 18" don't you get? How the hell does Contador going into the pros at 22 have a damn thing to do with this? And, don't go weasling out of your stupid ass comment by saying you were just saying we can't predict what he'll do or become. That was the point to my post, which you chose to respond to in typical dumbass fashion. If you'd meant to say that, you'd have said that. But, no, you chose to diminish the importance of his win(s) in your typical dumbassardly fashion by claiming he wasn't racing against good racers. |
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"Scott" wrote in message
... On May 31, 4:33 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: And by the way, I wasn't saying that he isn't a good rider or won't be a great rider. I was saying that you can't predict yet what he will become because the level of competition he's been up against is NOT world class. All the world class guys went straight to the pros. Or haven't you noticed guys like Contador were hired by high end professional teams at 22? What part of "he's 18" don't you get? How the hell does Contador going into the pros at 22 have a damn thing to do with this? If you don't understand any of this there's no need to try to explain it to you. And, don't go weasling out of your stupid ass comment by saying you were just saying we can't predict what he'll do or become. Then you want to place a bet that a 6'4" tall guy is going to be a world class climbing champion and Tour winner? |
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On May 31, 5:26*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Who was the last great track star that really shown in road racing? TK, you just used a HOMOphone! (he shown instead of shone) Just sayin'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4CXlIYjyE ==================================== Cavendish, a not a "great track star", although with some palmares, who has certainly shown, so to speak, in road racing. --D-y |
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On May 31, 6:55*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
And, don't go weasling out of your stupid ass comment by saying you were just saying we can't predict what he'll do or become. Then you want to place a bet that a 6'4" tall guy is going to be a world class climbing champion and Tour winner? Scott wrote, "What's next for Mini Phinney? I mean, he's only 18!! When he figures out what he's really best at, it's gonna be amazing." Yep, no doubt about it - Scott _definitely_ said that the kid would be a multi-Tour winner. You're such a maroon. Stop putting words in other people's mouths when you have such trouble with the ones coming out of your own. Either put the bottle or the keyboard down, preferably both. Take a nap. Bathe. Take a fresh run at it tomorrow. R |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message ... On May 31, 3:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer. Are you suggesting for a moment that the competitors at the various track world cups or track world championships or perhaps the Olympics, weren't the best possible racers??? The only race I mentioned that was "age-graded" was the Espoirs Paris Roubaix, and it's damn sure not like he's racing against a bunch of slouches three or four years his junior. He's in his first year in the "espoirs" and he's doing pretty damn well against some of the top competitors four to five years his senior. Besides, look at the list of previous winners and tell us sincerely that winning that race doesn't mean something. Who was the last great track star that really shown in road racing? Wiggins does fairly well. So have Roulston, McGee and some guy named O'Grady. If you're German you can include Zabel. |
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Howard Kveck wrote:
In article , Scott wrote: On May 31, 3:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Scott" wrote in message ... This is just nuts. First, wins Jr World TT. Follows it up with World Cup pursuit wins, a ride in the Olympics, AND World Championship pursuit title. National pursuit and kilo titles. Now he goes and pulls off the U23 Paris Roubaix win. What's next for Mini Phinney? I mean, he's only 18!! When he figures out what he's really best at, it's gonna be amazing. Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer. As Bubba's Momma would say, "boy, is you stupid?" Are you suggesting for a moment that the competitors at the various track world cups or track world championships or perhaps the Olympics, weren't the best possible racers??? The only race I mentioned that was "age-graded" was the Espoirs Paris Roubaix, and it's damn sure not like he's racing against a bunch of slouches three or four years his junior. He's in his first year in the "espoirs" and he's doing pretty damn well against some of the top competitors four to five years his senior. Besides, look at the list of previous winners and tell us sincerely that winning that race doesn't mean something. Geez, Tom, you must really be looking to start an argument or you are clinically frikkin stupid to make that comment. Does it have to be one or the other? Anyway, I think you're right about Phinney - he does seem to have a lot of power. The more different kinds of races he gets to do, the more he'll learn about what he's really good at and focus on those. But I'll also bet that he'll work at improving the things he wasn't as good at. I think Carl's correct about his racecraft but that comes with time and riding against good competitors. Considering that his engine may have compensated, he may have to unlearn some habits. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message ... On May 31, 4:33 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: And by the way, I wasn't saying that he isn't a good rider or won't be a great rider. I was saying that you can't predict yet what he will become because the level of competition he's been up against is NOT world class. All the world class guys went straight to the pros. Or haven't you noticed guys like Contador were hired by high end professional teams at 22? What part of "he's 18" don't you get? How the hell does Contador going into the pros at 22 have a damn thing to do with this? If you don't understand any of this there's no need to try to explain it to you. And, don't go weasling out of your stupid ass comment by saying you were just saying we can't predict what he'll do or become. Then you want to place a bet that a 6'4" tall guy is going to be a world class climbing champion and Tour winner? Indurain was/is 6'2", 172 lbs. Axel Merckx is 6' 3 1/2", racing weight of 169. Alexi Grewal was 6'2, 150 lbs. The Trek/Livestrong website has Phinney as 6'4", (and it surprised me) 180 lbs. I'll bet he can lean out some if need be. Besides, what if he becomes just a totally badass classics rider like Bettini? Does that deem him a failure? |
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On May 31, 7:59*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: Then you want to place a bet that a 6'4" tall guy is going to be a world class climbing champion and Tour winner? Indurain was/is 6'2", 172 lbs. Axel Merckx is 6' 3 1/2", racing weight of 169. Alexi Grewal was 6'2, 150 lbs. The Trek/Livestrong website has Phinney as 6'4", *(and it surprised me) 180 lbs. I'll bet he can lean out some if need be. Besides, what if he becomes just a totally badass classics rider like Bettini? Does that deem him a failure? Speaking of classics riders, Wiki lists Tom Boonen at exactly 6'4", 180#. |
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