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"bobby carter" wrote in message ... . why don't you state what drug testing changes you propose instead of just sniping at random. My position on drug use has been stated here a number of times. Do a search and enlighten yourself. your position on use-yes, but answer my accusation that you offer no changes to current testing protocols You're bull****ting, Bobby. If you know my position, you know the answer to your query. -i would like to rip your legs off but you probably don't ride uphill very well and would decline an invitation to go vertical and be assed off the back. And your dick is probably 14", right Bobby? Big balls, too? actually no is the answer to your to your adolescent jibes. but i evidently did hit a weak spot huh. No. I was making fun of your adolescent comment. oops-my time budget for dances with dunces is up-gotta go ride. c ya. I just got in from a really nice ride. Enjoy yours, Bobby. enlighten me-what is a peloton pig.? Try to figure it out. Trust me. It isn't difficult. one last thing-don't you just hate it when someone distracts you just when you start winding up on your sermon. hehhehheh What are you writing about? -- Peloton Pigs Can Fly! |
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"B. Lafferty" wrote in message nk.net...
"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... "B. Lafferty" wrote in message The poison is in the peloton, Bobby. It's called reality. Deal with it or not. Your choice. But if you do want to kill the messengers, you're going to be a busy man. ;-) If all you are is a messenger, then you're doing nothing to solve the problem. Not true. I've emailed Hein Verbruggen on many occasions about the drug problem with no response. :-) Now there's your proof.........Verbruggen is smarter than all of us that respond to your tireless crap. "OMC" |
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"OMC" wrote in message om... Not true. I've emailed Hein Verbruggen on many occasions about the drug problem with no response. :-) Now there's your proof.........Verbruggen is smarter than all of us that respond to your tireless crap. "OMC" Just remember, the "tireless crap" is only made possible by riders continuing to use illegal, performance enhancing drugs. Of course, the hypocrisy of riders, like Millar, denying and trashing those who admit to doping adds to the never ending, "tireless crap." ;-) -- Peloton Pigs--Flying Since 1991 |
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nice recovery from the dick comment-very lawyerly. but still no recs for new
testing protocols. the world wonders and is awaiting your reply. will i get a bill for your sage replies? hope not because free opinions are worth what you pay for them. keep stroking (that's a phrase of encouragement). "B. Lafferty" wrote in message ink.net... "bobby carter" wrote in message ... . why don't you state what drug testing changes you propose instead of just sniping at random. My position on drug use has been stated here a number of times. Do a search and enlighten yourself. your position on use-yes, but answer my accusation that you offer no changes to current testing protocols You're bull****ting, Bobby. If you know my position, you know the answer to your query. -i would like to rip your legs off but you probably don't ride uphill very well and would decline an invitation to go vertical and be assed off the back. And your dick is probably 14", right Bobby? Big balls, too? actually no is the answer to your to your adolescent jibes. but i evidently did hit a weak spot huh. No. I was making fun of your adolescent comment. oops-my time budget for dances with dunces is up-gotta go ride. c ya. I just got in from a really nice ride. Enjoy yours, Bobby. enlighten me-what is a peloton pig.? Try to figure it out. Trust me. It isn't difficult. one last thing-don't you just hate it when someone distracts you just when you start winding up on your sermon. hehhehheh What are you writing about? -- Peloton Pigs Can Fly! |
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"bobby carter" wrote in message ... nice recovery from the dick comment-very lawyerly. but still no recs for new testing protocols. the world wonders and is awaiting your reply. will i get a bill for your sage replies? hope not because free opinions are worth what you pay for them. keep stroking (that's a phrase of encouragement). "B. Lafferty" wrote in message ink.net... "bobby carter" wrote in message ... . why don't you state what drug testing changes you propose instead of just sniping at random. My position on drug use has been stated here a number of times. Do a search and enlighten yourself. your position on use-yes, but answer my accusation that you offer no changes to current testing protocols You're bull****ting, Bobby. If you know my position, you know the answer to your query. -i would like to rip your legs off but you probably don't ride uphill very well and would decline an invitation to go vertical and be assed off the back. And your dick is probably 14", right Bobby? Big balls, too? actually no is the answer to your to your adolescent jibes. but i evidently did hit a weak spot huh. No. I was making fun of your adolescent comment. oops-my time budget for dances with dunces is up-gotta go ride. c ya. I just got in from a really nice ride. Enjoy yours, Bobby. enlighten me-what is a peloton pig.? Try to figure it out. Trust me. It isn't difficult. one last thing-don't you just hate it when someone distracts you just when you start winding up on your sermon. hehhehheh What are you writing about? -- Peloton Pigs Can Fly! |
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"B. Lafferty" wrote:
"bobby carter" wrote: did i miss something here? did i mention anything about killing anyone? It's just a figure of speech, Bobby. Try not to be as literal as a three year old. Speaking of figures of speech, "I swear on the life of my sainted aunt" (or grave, or mother, etc) is one of those figures of speech. Hey, look at what Google turned up: http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=683 "Chapter 27 ends the book of Levitcus with a price valuation of different people and animals. It apparently was a custom in Torah times to swear 'on the life' of a family member or an owned beast. The Torah provides the actual 'cost' in silver for each relative based on gender and age." Who knew Tyler was such a Biblical scholar??? |
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"Benjamin Weiner" wrote in message om... "B. Lafferty" wrote: "bobby carter" wrote: did i miss something here? did i mention anything about killing anyone? It's just a figure of speech, Bobby. Try not to be as literal as a three year old. Speaking of figures of speech, "I swear on the life of my sainted aunt" (or grave, or mother, etc) is one of those figures of speech. Hey, look at what Google turned up: http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=683 "Chapter 27 ends the book of Levitcus with a price valuation of different people and animals. It apparently was a custom in Torah times to swear 'on the life' of a family member or an owned beast. The Torah provides the actual 'cost' in silver for each relative based on gender and age." Who knew Tyler was such a Biblical scholar??? The question begs--Who's worth more, Haven or Tugboat? |
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In article , Bob Schwartz
wrote: TritonRider wrote: From: warren 7. Anyone that has talked to an Italian doctor. 7a. Tell public that your contact with Italian doctor was innocent seeking of legal training advice. Just because Ferrari knows a lot about doping and has probably helped riders do it does not mean he can't still provide valuable training advice. The rider chooses for himself whether or not to accept any advice provided. Or did you mean some other Italian doctor? All I get from the one I know is legal training advice. I'm pretty sure that Andy and Kyle could get together to come up with a hell of a doping program if they chose to, so does that mean we are all suspect for talking to them? Bill C One commonality between Andy, Kyle, and the guy Warren get his advice from is that they are all less well off financially than that other Italian doctor. He charges a high premium for his advice. In addition there is other baggage involved in working with him in that lots of people (not just Lafferty) will assume you are doping. Voet said as much in his book. The value of the advice you get from him has to outweigh the cost and other factors involved in working with him. So if LANCE is getting legal training advice from Ferrari then he must be getting advice that is significantly more valuable than that available from Testa. Or Andy or Kyle. Because the cost, by a number of measures, is way higher. It is really an economic decision. I won't divulge the prices paid to Max for his advice but I will say that pro riders in Europe pay him a significant amount for each month. Just because Ferrari is higher profile to you says nothing about what each guy is worth, or paid. Remember that Max is paid by one of the top riders (Cioni) on a top team, and was paid well by Mapei before that. The thing with Lance and Ferrari is relatively simple and there are several reasons why Lance would work with Ferrari. There are not an abundance of guys like Ferrari that are available to coach individual riders like Lance because most of the other well-qualified guys are working full time for a European pro team, or in Max's case, he is a full-time MD at UC Davis Sports Medicine, and if he stopped doing that he'd accept one of the several standing offers he has to coach a top pro team. So basically, Lance can only work with who is available. Second, Lance and Ferrari know each other well, and for a long time and this makes their whole process more effective. Finally, Ferrari has a relatively high interest in pushing the envelope for what is legal or ethical means for an athlete and this approach is probably attractive to Lance, even if Lance draws a line below that for himself that most of us would agree with. -WG |
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