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VDB admits doping...?
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Dumbass - They've gotten it to work in mice and primates. This proves nothing. Most stage 1 clinical trials fail in humans, but pass in rodent and primate models. |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
The problem is verification. Genetic vaccines (right now) are not detectable. If an athlete suddenly shows up with 80% hematocrit, that's pretty damn detectable. That's pretty amazing to me that you could read that article about changing the EPO gene (raising the hct as high as 70%) and think that it's impossible for a genetic vaccine to have a significant impact on performance. As long as the impact you're looking for involves spending lots of bed time in a hospital. |
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"Kyle Legate" wrote in message s.com... Kurgan Gringioni wrote: "Kyle Legate" wrote in message s.com... Kurgan Gringioni wrote: The on the fringe athletes aren't going to care about those clinical trials or side effects and they won't be getting the stuff from a normal lab. Where are they going to get it from, then? You're talking about a highly technical endeavor here (creating a functional gene vaccine); it won't be available from a drug store or a family doctor. Dumbass - Where do they get EPO from? The drug store or the family doctor? Dumbass - They get EPO from a drug store. But you will not be able to obtain an engineered virus from a drug store. Once again you fail to answer my question and attempt to steer the discussion away from your failure by asking an unrelated question. mmmm hmmmm. Sort of like where TT got her drug from? The drug store. uh huh. |
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"Kyle Legate" wrote in message s.com... Kurgan Gringioni wrote: Dumbass - They've gotten it to work in mice and primates. This proves nothing. Most stage 1 clinical trials fail in humans, but pass in rodent and primate models. Most. But not all. Your claim is that *all* genetic vaccines will be ineffective for performance enhancement, at least before the next Athens Olympics (a century from now?). It only takes one or two. My position is that performance enhancing genetic vaccines will be abused in the same way the performance enhancing drugs are abused. Drugs - which in your words - "most stage 1 clinical trials fail in humans, but pass in rodent and primate models." But not all drugs. Or is your position also that drugs are not used for performance enhancement? |
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