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Bill C wrote:
On Mar 6, 11:08 pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: Obama's plan sounds like the Vietnam peace treaty, with the same wortless guarantees we gave the S. Vietnamese. Love how this **** just gets recycled and they expect different results. Bill C At a certain point, "Peace, with honor" is going to sound pretty good to everyone. The left, which buried it's head in the sand when we went to war, will succeed when the right buries it's head. But don't blame the politicians. They're just doing what they need to do to get re-elected. To the people here. The same ones screaming about human rights and genocide in Sudan, China, etc... won't make a peep over something much worse because it's convenient for them. Situational ethics and moral relativism are the bedrocks of the far left. That's why Gueverra and Castro are heroes and great men, and Marcos and Pinochet are scum. Bill C If we look, we can find those who admire Hitler. We could call those people the "Far Right", if you like. Castro is no Hitler, but it's still pretty looney to believe in his greatness. When you view the world as "left" and "right" it sometimes makes it hard to differentiate the crazy from the sane. |
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Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: On Mar 6, 11:08 pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: Obama's plan sounds like the Vietnam peace treaty, with the same wortless guarantees we gave the S. Vietnamese. Love how this **** just gets recycled and they expect different results. Bill C At a certain point, "Peace, with honor" is going to sound pretty good to everyone. The left, which buried it's head in the sand when we went to war, will succeed when the right buries it's head. But don't blame the politicians. They're just doing what they need to do to get re-elected. To the people here. The same ones screaming about human rights and genocide in Sudan, China, etc... won't make a peep over something much worse because it's convenient for them. Situational ethics and moral relativism are the bedrocks of the far left. That's why Gueverra and Castro are heroes and great men, and Marcos and Pinochet are scum. Bill C If we look, we can find those who admire Hitler. We could call those people the "Far Right", if you like. Castro is no Hitler, but it's still pretty looney to believe in his greatness. Oh, I wish it were seen that way! I can't find the original article published in the Toronto Star (a fairly big newspaper), but Pierre Trudeau's son, Sacha Trudeau, wrote a rather embarrassing toast of his father's good friend. I can only find this reposting of one rebuttal of the article: http://www.babalublog.com/archives/004024.html Trudeau himself is hardly a fringe lunatic. He's a contributing editor to Maclean's magazine, which is roughly parallel to Time in the US (weekly news-and-commentary magazine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Trudeau As someone who works at a community college, hardly a day goes by that there isn't a notice on at least one of the bulletin boards that somehow praises or supports Fidel. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos |
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article , Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: On Mar 6, 11:08 pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: Obama's plan sounds like the Vietnam peace treaty, with the same wortless guarantees we gave the S. Vietnamese. Love how this **** just gets recycled and they expect different results. Bill C At a certain point, "Peace, with honor" is going to sound pretty good to everyone. The left, which buried it's head in the sand when we went to war, will succeed when the right buries it's head. But don't blame the politicians. They're just doing what they need to do to get re-elected. To the people here. The same ones screaming about human rights and genocide in Sudan, China, etc... won't make a peep over something much worse because it's convenient for them. Situational ethics and moral relativism are the bedrocks of the far left. That's why Gueverra and Castro are heroes and great men, and Marcos and Pinochet are scum. Bill C If we look, we can find those who admire Hitler. We could call those people the "Far Right", if you like. Castro is no Hitler, but it's still pretty looney to believe in his greatness. Oh, I wish it were seen that way! I can't find the original article published in the Toronto Star (a fairly big newspaper), but Pierre Trudeau's son, Sacha Trudeau, wrote a rather embarrassing toast of his father's good friend. I can only find this reposting of one rebuttal of the article: http://www.babalublog.com/archives/004024.html Trudeau himself is hardly a fringe lunatic. He's a contributing editor to Maclean's magazine, which is roughly parallel to Time in the US (weekly news-and-commentary magazine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Trudeau As someone who works at a community college, hardly a day goes by that there isn't a notice on at least one of the bulletin boards that somehow praises or supports Fidel. I kind of expect that stuff at colleges. At larger colleges, you get a collection of all the lunatic fringe. I guess the Trudeaus are taken more seriously than I would have guessed. The first thing I thought when you mentioned the name was "I wonder what Margaret's been up to lately?" So I googled her. Almost like Teddy Kennedy allegedly did. The first thing I found was this: http://tinyurl.com/2vgfk4 Some people never grow up. Her Wikipedia entry implies that she may have had closer relations with Castro than I care to think about. In which case, I really don't understand Sasha's admiration for the man. Too weird. |
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On Mar 9, 7:30 pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote: Bill C wrote: On Mar 6, 11:08 pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Bill C wrote: Obama's plan sounds like the Vietnam peace treaty, with the same wortless guarantees we gave the S. Vietnamese. Love how this **** just gets recycled and they expect different results. Bill C At a certain point, "Peace, with honor" is going to sound pretty good to everyone. The left, which buried it's head in the sand when we went to war, will succeed when the right buries it's head. But don't blame the politicians. They're just doing what they need to do to get re-elected. To the people here. The same ones screaming about human rights and genocide in Sudan, China, etc... won't make a peep over something much worse because it's convenient for them. Situational ethics and moral relativism are the bedrocks of the far left. That's why Gueverra and Castro are heroes and great men, and Marcos and Pinochet are scum. Bill C If we look, we can find those who admire Hitler. We could call those people the "Far Right", if you like. Yeah I could go for that. They have no shortage of nutcases but, this goes along with Ryan's comments, I'm in college central and there are very few protesters out here wearing "Reagan Revolution" t-shirts. Castro is no Hitler, but it's still pretty looney to believe in his greatness. As Ryan said, and probably even more here given the politics, Both Castro and Gueverra rank right up there with, or better than Mother Theresa and Ghandi. When you view the world as "left" and "right" it sometimes makes it hard to differentiate the crazy from the sane.- Hide quoted text - Unfortunately getting past the "labels" seem to be a maturing process that, being cynical it seems to me that MOST, people never reach. Labels are needed as a language shortcut for large generalisations, but have all the inacuracy inherent in doing that. TK is a perfect example of someone SO hung up on the label that he'll make ANY excuse and ignore any fact to support and protect his label. Don't know anyone else on RBR who does that, to that extreme, but do know a bunch here in the Valley. With everything that's come out in the last week or so, even Tom's gotta be having a hard time supporting this bunch of clowns. Especially since they've trashed a ton of core stuff hte "right" is supposed to care about. I think decent, rational people, like most everyone here has no problem seeing that There are real evil scumbags from all ideologies. It's sick when people support them just because they say the right words, especially when their actions are just the opposite of what they are saying. You can apply that to both Bush and Castro and their supporters. They'd NEVER abuse the Patriot Act, and there are WAY too many safeguards built in for THAT to happen, right??? Isn't that what they all said? Now how about prosecuting The FBI director and everyone around him, along with everyone who was supposed to have oversight of this. Time for lots of people to go to jail. Bill C |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Raptor" wrote in message ... Bill C wrote: On Mar 7, 10:05 am, Raptor wrote: Suitcase nukes from Saddam is just re-badged "smoking gun in the form a mushroom cloud." Go tell it to someone gullible. Like PBS Frontline: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../comments.html The Center for Arms Control: http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/pro...tnw/chap5.html The Center for Defense Information: http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/cooperation.cfm I don't need to follow the links to know that it is an actual threat. So was Anthrax, botullism, etc., from Iraq finding its way to the US. But invasion was not necessary to prevent it from happening, Yes, we could have sent off a stern letter of warning. Every problem looks like a nail to you, every threat requires open combat. You've got a pretty empty toolbox, like anyone who still supports Shrub. We know what we need to do to prevent a suitcase nuke attack, and we are (presumably) doing it pretty damn well. My but you're so forceful. By the way, what exactly is it that we're doing about suitcase nukes again? Radiation detectors at foreign ports and elsewhere, careful tracking of nukes & fissile material, helping to secure storage, tracking terrorists, leaning on rogue governments. Oh, and openly fighting Al Qaeda militarily. Perhaps only the last one registered with you. -- Lynn Wallace Jesus loves Osama bin Laden |
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In article . com, "Bill
C" wrote: With everything that's come out in the last week or so, even Tom's gotta be having a hard time supporting this bunch of clowns. Especially since they've trashed a ton of core stuff hte "right" is supposed to care about. I doubt he has a hard time with that at all. When you get to be as much of an ideologue as he is, it's very easy to find ways to condone that kind of thing. The first step is to find some way to accuse the "other side" of doing it first. Then you only have to say that if they (the Bush admin., FBI or the people who run Walter Reed, for example) didn't do that stuff, the terrorists (or commies or whatever) will be emboldened (or whatever). It's a tribal thing. They'd NEVER abuse the Patriot Act, and there are WAY too many safeguards built in for THAT to happen, right??? Isn't that what they all said? The Patriot Act got one hour of debate in Congress prior to being passed. Most people in the Senate and House hadn't even had a chance to read any of it. Now how about prosecuting The FBI director and everyone around him, along with everyone who was supposed to have oversight of this. That was one of the beautiful things about the Patriot Act: there was almost no oversight built in, and for a good reason. Bush, Cheney and co. saw 9-11 as a great opportunity to grab powers that under normal circumstances they never could. -- tanx, Howard Never take a tenant with a monkey. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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In article , Raptor wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: Yes, we could have sent off a stern letter of warning. Every problem looks like a nail to you, every threat requires open combat. You've got a pretty empty toolbox, like anyone who still supports Shrub. Lynn, that's not all that Tom has that's empty. We know what we need to do to prevent a suitcase nuke attack, and we are (presumably) doing it pretty damn well. My but you're so forceful. By the way, what exactly is it that we're doing about suitcase nukes again? Radiation detectors at foreign ports and elsewhere, careful tracking of nukes & fissile material, helping to secure storage, tracking terrorists, leaning on rogue governments. To add to what Bill mentioned earlier regarding keeping track of fissile material in the former Soviet Union, we can thank former ambassodor to the UN John Bolton for defunding and dragging his feet on programs that would help round up Soviet nukes and keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them (like al Qaeda). -- tanx, Howard Never take a tenant with a monkey. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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howard kveck wrote:
To add to what Bill mentioned earlier regarding keeping track of fissile material in the former Soviet Union, we can thank former ambassodor to the UN John Bolton for defunding and dragging his feet on programs that would help round up Soviet nukes and keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them (like al Qaeda). Don't worry, Kunich is going to be the next US ambassador to the UN. |
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Munro wrote: howard kveck wrote: To add to what Bill mentioned earlier regarding keeping track of fissile material in the former Soviet Union, we can thank former ambassodor to the UN John Bolton for defunding and dragging his feet on programs that would help round up Soviet nukes and keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them (like al Qaeda). Don't worry, Kunich is going to be the next US ambassador to the UN. Since Bolton was obviously wearing a wig, for all we know Kunich has already been UN ambassador. -- tanx, Howard Never take a tenant with a monkey. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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Bill C wrote:
With everything that's come out in the last week or so, even Tom's gotta be having a hard time supporting this bunch of clowns. Especially since they've trashed a ton of core stuff hte "right" is supposed to care about. I think decent, rational people, like most everyone here has no problem seeing that There are real evil scumbags from all ideologies. It's sick when people support them just because they say the right words, especially when their actions are just the opposite of what they are saying. You can apply that to both Bush and Castro and their supporters. They'd NEVER abuse the Patriot Act, and there are WAY too many safeguards built in for THAT to happen, right??? Isn't that what they all said? Now how about prosecuting The FBI director and everyone around him, along with everyone who was supposed to have oversight of this. Time for lots of people to go to jail. Bill C Based on what I'm reading on CNN.com right now, I'd say you're wrong about anyone "having a hard time supporting this bunch of clowns". I don't see any mention of Patriot Act abuse on CNN.com. One kidnapped baby was found, a mother who murdered her kids was caught, Kroger's not selling the "morning after" pill, a 101 year old woman was mugged, etc. There's got to be an outcry before lots of people go to jail. We're not seeing that here. I'm inclined to think that we don't have enough details to get good and righteously indignant. If we knew that the FBI was pulling records of people who bought the "morning after" pill or they investigated people who were against the "morning after" pill for being religious fundamentalists, THEN you'd have your public outcry. "They pulled some records about some things" wont get you there. I said I'm INCLINED to think that. But I know I'm wrong. The American public seems to have no particular problem with Guantanamo Bay and Jose Padilla. There's no reason to believe they are capable of being roused over anything at all. Mea culpa. I haven't written my Congressman in over a year either. |
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