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  #31  
Old November 28th 08, 10:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Nov 28, 8:40*pm, nmp wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
But I didn't have something quite that low in mind,


Isn't being low (and aerodynamic) the whole point of a recumbent bike?


For racers, perhaps. For other cyclists, there are other equally
attractive advantages to the less recumbent bent. I can think,
instantly, of the ability to mount it more easily than an upright
bike, of being able to put your foot on the ground without getting out
of the seat, of retaining a little dignity in your posture, of being
able to wear wide shorts without exposing yourself. -- Andre Jute


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  #32  
Old November 28th 08, 10:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:50 pm, " wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:19 am, Andre Jute wrote:

Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?
Let's not have a flame war here but a considered discussion, with all
the pros and cons of recumbents.
I highlight the hillclimbing question because I live on a steep hill,
and my favourite rides are all on hilly lanes; in fact, there is
nowhere I go, not even for a liter of milk that doesn't involve at
least one hill.
Andre Jute
An open mind on the loose is a dangerous device

Dear namesake:

I think that they dropped a consonant when they named you.

bicycles, either bents or uprights are great for transportation, as
you already know. Going up a steep hill in either requires good form
and appropriate gears. With a recumbent, you can get up pretty much
any hill provided that you have the appropriate gear. As with an
upright, depending on your effort, and the gear of choice you can get
up faster or slower and be more or less tired. With equal fitness you
will probably climb faster with an upright and move faster on flat
ground with a bent.

Having addressed the technical aspects I must point out that the only
problem with bents is that they out you as a queer, violator of
normality, subversive, anti-establishment, far left wing trotskist,
anarchist, devil worshiper such as the well know TS.

Stick to the upright. However considering that you already posses a
queer name, the bent may not be a bad idea.

Andres


I'll have you know that I was the last man in my town whose dinner
jacket actually buttoned.

Andre Jute
with an acute accent on the e in Andre


It's ALT-130, André

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Old November 28th 08, 11:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?

On Nov 28, 2:50*pm, A Muzi wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:50 pm, " wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:19 am, Andre Jute wrote:


Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?
Let's not have a flame war here but a considered discussion, with all
the pros and cons of recumbents.
I highlight the hillclimbing question because I live on a steep hill,
and my favourite rides are all on hilly lanes; in fact, there is
nowhere I go, not even for a liter of milk that doesn't involve at
least one hill.
Andre Jute
An open mind on the loose is a dangerous device
Dear namesake:


I think that they dropped a consonant when they named you.


bicycles, either bents or uprights are great for transportation, as
you already know. Going up a steep hill in either requires good form
and appropriate gears. With a recumbent, you can get up pretty much
any hill provided that you have the appropriate gear. As with an
upright, depending on your effort, and the gear of choice you can get
up faster or slower and be more or less tired. With equal fitness you
will probably climb faster with an upright and move faster on flat
ground with a bent.


Having addressed the technical aspects I must point out that the only
problem with bents is that they out you as a queer, violator of
normality, subversive, anti-establishment, far left wing trotskist,
anarchist, devil worshiper such as the well know TS.


Stick to the upright. However considering that you already posses a
queer name, the bent may not be a bad idea.


Andres


I'll have you know that I was the last man in my town whose dinner
jacket actually buttoned.


Andre Jute
with an acute accent on the e in Andre


It's ALT-130, André

--
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* www.yellowjersey.org/
* Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**


My name which is in Spanish is spelled Andrés. After living in the US
23 years, I have been spelling it without the accent. When I write in
Spanish I put all the accents everywhere, but always forget to put the
accent in the e.
  #34  
Old November 29th 08, 01:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?

On Nov 28, 9:50*pm, A Muzi wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:50 pm, " wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:19 am, Andre Jute wrote:


Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?
Let's not have a flame war here but a considered discussion, with all
the pros and cons of recumbents.
I highlight the hillclimbing question because I live on a steep hill,
and my favourite rides are all on hilly lanes; in fact, there is
nowhere I go, not even for a liter of milk that doesn't involve at
least one hill.
Andre Jute
An open mind on the loose is a dangerous device
Dear namesake:


I think that they dropped a consonant when they named you.


bicycles, either bents or uprights are great for transportation, as
you already know. Going up a steep hill in either requires good form
and appropriate gears. With a recumbent, you can get up pretty much
any hill provided that you have the appropriate gear. As with an
upright, depending on your effort, and the gear of choice you can get
up faster or slower and be more or less tired. With equal fitness you
will probably climb faster with an upright and move faster on flat
ground with a bent.


Having addressed the technical aspects I must point out that the only
problem with bents is that they out you as a queer, violator of
normality, subversive, anti-establishment, far left wing trotskist,
anarchist, devil worshiper such as the well know TS.


Stick to the upright. However considering that you already posses a
queer name, the bent may not be a bad idea.


Andres


I'll have you know that I was the last man in my town whose dinner
jacket actually buttoned.


Andre Jute
with an acute accent on the e in Andre


It's ALT-130, André


I've used a Mac from the beginning; one of my first Macs was signed
"Steve" inside the case. On a Mac you just press alt-e and then e to
get é but the reason I don't do it on the net is that not everyone
honours the standards the same way as the Mac programmers do,
conscious as they are that they're working on the typographer's
preferred computer. -- Andre Jute

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Old November 29th 08, 04:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?

Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:40 pm, nmp wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
But I didn't have something quite that low in mind,

Isn't being low (and aerodynamic) the whole point of a recumbent bike?


For racers, perhaps. For other cyclists, there are other equally
attractive advantages to the less recumbent bent. I can think,
instantly, of the ability to mount it more easily than an upright
bike, of being able to put your foot on the ground without getting out
of the seat, of retaining a little dignity in your posture, of being
able to wear wide shorts without exposing yourself. -- Andre Jute


Well, my CF Rans isn't a recumbent nor a fully conventional bike so it
seems to share some attributes of both.

It's high enough for me to make eye contact. It seems faster downhill
than an conventional but there are too many factors to be sure. As to
uphill, I too am a masher but on this I've learned to spin a bit. So far
the uphills seem slower but also easier. That is, I can't seem to mash
as much which results in slower progress doing more spin but also I'm
less tired at the apex of the hill.
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Old November 29th 08, 06:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Urb Anwriter wrote:
[...]
'Bents' fit different. A one hour test ride will only reveal (and no
dis-respect to original poster) that your muscles have not acclimatized.
One guy (and, wait for it, the 'guy' has a name), Brock Davis, and I
were having a conversation one day about 15 years ago. 'How long to
acclimatize?' I asked? "Six months I guess" was his reply. And he was,
and is, a 'high-mileage,' no-car, bicycle shop owner.

Indeed.

I rode, in their day, Ryans, R-20s, Linears, a singular Windcheeta (sp),
a number of Rans, Easy Tour, and Easy Racer. I, meaning me, was slower
up hill on every single one of them. A couple, the Ryan (with stock bars
narrowed), and the R-20, were measurably faster downhill. The Windcheeta
wasn't mine, and I couldn't afford the goofy 17" tires, let alone the
machine, which compelled me to not try testing it's limits.

What is a "Rans"?

ATP Vision R-20?

And, it occurs to me, will your jacket be completely zipped while
testing the aerodynamics of various machines in the negative-incline
phase?

The current 'fastest' bicycle (just check the definition of 'bicycle'
before you start flaming, or you'll lose, I guarantee) is a recumbent,
built in Canada, ridden by the winner of the 2008 NAHBS, on a US road,
built by, more or less, a sculptor. I don't think Sam would claim that
it's a bike faster up hills...

My apologies if I posted above, or below, the right person, the wrong
person, or if your mileage varies, your opinion differs, or you have
never actually ridden a recumbent.


Never apologize on Usenet!

Some of the most prominent recumbent "experts" have never ridden a
recumbent.

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2000 RANS Rocket
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Old November 29th 08, 06:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Sherman[_3_]
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Default Precisely how bad is a recumbent at climbing hills?

André Jute wrote:
[...] On the other hand, from an upright bike I
can make eye-contact with the drivers of big four-wheel drives -- in
fact, I have to lean over to see into the window to explain to the
stupid ones that, "It will take me five minutes to trash your 160K
Range Rover into an insurance writeoff, after which I shall charge you
with assault with a deadly weapon, and make you uninsurable, besides
ruining your so-called career with negative publicity that will turn
you into public idiot number one."[...]


Thankfully, Mr. Jute has let us know he is a "hardass", in case we ever
encounter him in real life.

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Old November 29th 08, 06:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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slide wrote:
[....]
Well, my CF Rans isn't a recumbent nor a fully conventional bike so it
seems to share some attributes of both.[...]


What is a "Rans" (sic)?

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Old November 29th 08, 06:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
[...]
I'll have you know that I was the last man in my town whose dinner
jacket actually buttoned.

Andre Jute
with an acute accent on the e in Andre


It's ALT-130, André

Or ALT0233 for "é".

For gene, his name would be AndrALT0233

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