Isn't this getting ridiculous?

There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may
be at a good height. For most they will be too low. The market they
are selling to want a comfortable non racy position

On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
an urban cruiser?

No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a
rack and that's a perfect urban scoot.

On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp wrote:
bigjimpack wrote:
On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
an urban cruiser?

No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a rack
and that's a perfect urban scoot.
There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may be
at a good height. *For most they will be too low. *The market they are
selling to want a comfortable non racy *position

The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault Vehicle",
i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is quite silly,
but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be used for fast
and agressive riding.

snip

That thing, urban assault? When I think urban assault I think
dropping off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the
skate park. I don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban
assault".

On Nov 21, 2:17*pm, nmp wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp wrote:

[..]

The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault
Vehicle", i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is
quite silly, but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be
used for fast and agressive riding.

snip

That thing, urban assault? *When I think urban assault I think dropping
off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the skate park. *I
don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban assault".

I had no idea that silly phrase had such a specific meaning to anyone. In
my ears it is just a "cool" sounding marketing blurb. You know, that's
what marketing people do. Perhaps I was associating the title with some
sort of military vehicle. In the way one would expect the marketing
people to describe a bicycle as a "Leopard tank" or something.

Oh well.

I first heard it at a bike shop, and it was not something they sold,
it was something one of the shop guys had built. He said something
like "this is my urban assault bike" and I said something like "wait,
your what?" He then explained what he meant, and I said "oh. I've
got a bike that would kinda work for that stuff, but it sounds more
like my city runs on the BMX". He basically told me his was the adult
equivalent of a BMX. I've since met quite a few people with "urban
assault" bikes, and they all have prettymuch the same definition.
Depending on who I'm going out on an "urban assault" with, I grab my
BMX or my hardtail MTB. 90% BMX, since I can’t hurt that monster.

From what I can tell "urban assault" riding is, to everyone I know
that uses the term, what "street riding" is for BMXers only toned down
a couple notches and without the pegs. Incidentally, the "urban
assault" guys tend to be amazed by pretty trivial BMX stuff, like
jumping 1/2 way down a flight of stairs and riding the rest out or peg
stalls. I've tried convincing many of them that the stair jump would
be much easier with their bigger wheels, but as of yet nobody has said
"oh, that makes sense" and gone for it. Spending some time at skate
parks and thinking back on the better kids I used to BMX with, I've
yet to be impressed by anyone's "urban assault" riding.

Come to think of it, "urban assault" might just be "riding street" for
people who are no good on the 20", and don't care or don’t have the
ability to learn. Not that I’m very good on a 20”, but I can
certainly do a whole lot more than the “urban assault” guys I know.
Reflecting on the amount of stitches and broken bones I got acquiring
my mediocre-at-best 20” street riding skill level, I suppose I can see
why grown adults would prefer an “urban assault” than the 20” street
riding learning curve.

wrote:
On Nov 20, 3:39*pm, Dane Buson wrote:

It's kind of battleship grey? *And I'm not fond of flat bars for
anything other than straight MTBs. *It's not the ugliest bike I've seen
admittedly - even today.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008...lliErkkila.htm

Man, that is a shame. Dude went through the trouble to custom build
(assuming he's not full of it) a frame that'd take some real nice wide
snow/sand tires, and it ended up like that in the end? Man... rough
deal. I'd love a bike that'd take tires that wide, especially
something I built myself. I'd rather pay for 3 Pugsleys than ride
that thing though.

The pugsleys are fun to ride. A couple of my friends have them. But
not really my sort of thing I guess. I'll admit to being somewhat of a
speed junky.

--
Dane Buson -
"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanical
religion, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a
superior capacity for happiness." -H. L. Mencken

This is what ****es me off about the threadless thing- Why cant bike
makers ship the steer tubes uncut (or at least a couple inclhes
longer) to allow easy customization.


On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp wrote:
bigjimpack wrote:
On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
an urban cruiser?

No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a rack
and that's a perfect urban scoot.
There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may be
at a good height. *For most they will be too low. *The market they are
selling to want a comfortable non racy *position

The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault Vehicle",
i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is quite silly,
but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be used for fast
and agressive riding.

If still needed, any hobbyist could swap the stem for an adjustable one
in about 5 minutes. Have you ever *not* modified a bike you bought to
make it fit or suit you better?

nmp wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:

It's kind of battleship grey?

Yes, lovely. I might do my next bike in that colour.

And I'm not fond of flat bars for anything other than straight MTBs.
It's not the ugliest bike I've seen admittedly - even today.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008...lliErkkila.htm

I think we can assume that one is not even meant to be pretty... It aims
to impress in another way

Hey, it takes all kinds of folks. If it makes him happy. I'd even
enjoy a quick spin around the block on it. I just think I'd want to
ride it very far.

But the forward-sloping top tube is ridiculous, yes. He should have kept
it horizontal.

I wonder about the tyres and rims. Are they motorcycle parts?

I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:

http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.html
http://surlybikes.com/pugsley.html

--
Dane Buson -
X windows. Even your dog won't like it.

On Nov 21, 3:30*pm, wrote:
This is what ****es me off about the threadless thing- Why cant bike
makers ship the steer tubes uncut (or at least a couple inclhes
longer) to allow easy customization.

On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp wrote:



bigjimpack wrote:
On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
an urban cruiser?

No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.

In article ,
" writes:
On Nov 21, 2:17=A0pm, nmp wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:48=A0am, nmp wrote:

[..]

The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault
Vehicle", i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is
quite silly, but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be
used for fast and agressive riding.

snip

That thing, urban assault? =A0When I think urban assault I think droppi=
ng
off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the skate park. =
=A0I
don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban assault".

I had no idea that silly phrase had such a specific meaning to anyone. In
my ears it is just a "cool" sounding marketing blurb. You know, that's
what marketing people do. Perhaps I was associating the title with some
sort of military vehicle. In the way one would expect the marketing
people to describe a bicycle as a "Leopard tank" or something.

Oh well.

I first heard it at a bike shop, and it was not something they sold,
it was something one of the shop guys had built. He said something
like "this is my urban assault bike" and I said something like "wait,
your what?" He then explained what he meant, and I said "oh. I've
got a bike that would kinda work for that stuff, but it sounds more
like my city runs on the BMX". He basically told me his was the adult
equivalent of a BMX. I've since met quite a few people with "urban
assault" bikes, and they all have prettymuch the same definition.
Depending on who I'm going out on an "urban assault" with, I grab my
BMX or my hardtail MTB. 90% BMX, since I can=92t hurt that monster.

From what I can tell "urban assault" riding is, to everyone I know
that uses the term, what "street riding" is for BMXers only toned down
a couple notches and without the pegs. Incidentally, the "urban
assault" guys tend to be amazed by pretty trivial BMX stuff, like
jumping 1/2 way down a flight of stairs and riding the rest out or peg
stalls. I've tried convincing many of them that the stair jump would
be much easier with their bigger wheels, but as of yet nobody has said
"oh, that makes sense" and gone for it. Spending some time at skate
parks and thinking back on the better kids I used to BMX with, I've
yet to be impressed by anyone's "urban assault" riding.

Come to think of it, "urban assault" might just be "riding street" for
people who are no good on the 20", and don't care or don=92t have the
ability to learn. Not that I=92m very good on a 20=94, but I can
certainly do a whole lot more than the =93urban assault=94 guys I know.
Reflecting on the amount of stitches and broken bones I got acquiring
my mediocre-at-best 20=94 street riding skill level, I suppose I can see
why grown adults would prefer an =93urban assault=94 than the 20=94 street
riding learning curve.

The first time I heard (or rather, read) the phrase:
"Urban Assault Vehicle" was around '96/'97, in a
Trek catalog. Words like "grind" or "shred" weren't
used. It was just implied the bike would do all that
stuff for you, and all you've gotta do is buy the bike
and look like the guy in the glossy photos.

If you wanna see some really superb Street, look up
Chris (Kris?) Holm, if you're not already aware of
him -- chances are, you indeed are.

But anyway, he's renowned for his off-road freeride antics,
but his Street and Flatland stylings are simply astounding.
And he does it all on a unicycle. Maybe unicycles are the
paradigm of Urban Assault Vehicles.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Dane Buson wrote:

nmp wrote:

Dane Buson wrote:

It's kind of battleship grey?

Yes, lovely. I might do my next bike in that colour.

And I'm not fond of flat bars for anything other than straight MTBs.
It's not the ugliest bike I've seen admittedly - even today.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008...lliErkkila.htm

I think we can assume that one is not even meant to be pretty... It aims
to impress in another way

Hey, it takes all kinds of folks. *If it makes him happy. *I'd even
enjoy a quick spin around the block on it. *I just think I'd want to
ride it very far.

But the forward-sloping top tube is ridiculous, yes. He should have kept
it horizontal.

I wonder about the tyres and rims. Are they motorcycle parts?

I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:

http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemar...m/pugsley.html

Nope. Olli says the rims are by Rigida. They might be motorcycle
parts; they sure look it and I'd not be surprised to find that
20" (ISO 507) is an available M/C rim size. The tires are 24 x
3" (75-507) Nokian Gazzaloddis-- I had my own custom MTB frame
designed with the 26 x 3" size in mind, long before Endomorph was even
a gleam in his obese daddy's eye. Gazzaloddis are _much_ knobbier,
stiffer, and heavier than Endomorphs. They were designed for downhill
MTB racing. They are a bitch to mount and frankly, a bitch to ride on
too.

Appropriately stupid-wide rims that make Large Marge look svelte are
available he

http://www.choppersus.com/store/cate.../71/Rims-Only/

Chalo

wrote:

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
an urban cruiser?

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/

Then mentally add BMX bars, man. It would look much more badass that
way anyway.

Chalo