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Old January 25th 09, 04:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:06:14 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:47 +0000, Tony Dragon
said in
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So you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have established that.


Nope. I agree with removing the prime incentive for them to do so,
which also as it turns out is the major source of risk to
pedestrians (on or off the footway) and cyclists alike. You
probably didn't notice but I did point out that in many places
cycling on the footway is now perfectly legal, due to the
application of Magic White Paint (TM).

Note that in many places there are no footways, pedestrians are
forced to use the carriageway.


I doubt "many places" - but they do have every right to be in the
carriageway.


It is long past time that people stopped making excuses for motor
danger.

Guy


Any chance of an answer yet:

Do you think that as a pedestrian you are more likely to be hit by a
bike being intentionally ridden along the path than you are by a car
being intentionally driven along the path?

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  #122  
Old January 25th 09, 04:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:22:04 +0000, Tony Dragon
said in
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I have no idea if the hospital added the incident into the stats, do you?


I think you'll find that hospitals add *all* admission incidents to
the stats.


To the hospital stats, possibly. But not to the Police STATS19
database, which is what is, for the time being at least, used to compile
the government's official road casualty statistics and their RCGB report.

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  #123  
Old January 25th 09, 04:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:09:55 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:39:16 -0000, "pk" said
in :

Which does not actually change the documented fact that pedestrians
are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than
cyclists.


I think the fact that is documented it the number of reported injuries not
the number of injuries per se, there is after all a legal duty to report
motor accident causing injury there will be close to 100% reporting of car
related injuries but a far lower proportion of the minor cycle/pedestrian
collisions will be reported.


Reporting of injuries does indeed vary according to severity and
cause. Nearly all fatalities, and most serious injuries, are
recorded. Trivial injuries are mostly unreported, we can only infer
things form the relative prevalence of those injuries which are
reported. For example, we know that half of all injury admissions
to hospital are due to simple trips and falls, and many of these are
on footways. My council says that the major cause of footway trips
is damage to the footways by motor vehicle encroachment.

probably better, though, to stick with the figures we do have rather
than suppositions. And also probably better to look to the causes
and how they might be fixed, rather than advocating draconian
responses to the symptoms. Especially since the symptom is, in many
cases, entirely legal now.

Guy


Any chance Guy - you're not avoiding it are you?


Do you think that as a pedestrian you are more likely to be hit by a
bike being intentionally ridden along the path than you are by a car
being intentionally driven along the path?
  #124  
Old January 25th 09, 05:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Tony Dragon wrote:
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:47 +0000, Tony Dragon
said in
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So you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have
established that.


Nope.


As I said you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have
established that.

I agree with removing the prime incentive for them to do so,
which also as it turns out is the major source of risk to
pedestrians (on or off the footway) and cyclists alike. You
probably didn't notice but I did point out that in many places
cycling on the footway is now perfectly legal, due to the
application of Magic White Paint (TM).


They are now classed a duel use, not footways as yiu well know.
You also know that we are talking about pedestrian footways.

Note that in many places there are no footways, pedestrians are
forced to use the carriageway.


So


It is long past time that people stopped making excuses for motor
danger.

Guy


Who has done that


You're (unfortunately) wasting your time, because you're arguing a point
with someone who not only doesn't agree with your view but refuses to
accept that it even exists. Guy is fervently, passionately, anti *any*
legislation on cycling, and uses the Bollenlogic (TM) of saying "its
nowhere near as bad as what someone else does". Using that logic its
okay for us all to drive everywhere at 150mph, because someone else has
already been caught at 172 so we're not as bad as him.

The key difference between Chapman and the motorist groups he so
despises is that the motorists are quick to condemn lawbreaking by their
peers while Chapman insists that lawbreaking cyclists should be excused
because "they're only breaking the law to hide from those dangerous
motorists!". What I think is the funny bit is that despite that somewhat
blinkered perspective Chapman keeps calling other sociopathic!
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Old January 25th 09, 05:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:06:14 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:47 +0000, Tony Dragon
said in
:

So you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have established that.

Nope. I agree with removing the prime incentive for them to do so,
which also as it turns out is the major source of risk to
pedestrians (on or off the footway) and cyclists alike. You
probably didn't notice but I did point out that in many places
cycling on the footway is now perfectly legal, due to the
application of Magic White Paint (TM).

Note that in many places there are no footways, pedestrians are
forced to use the carriageway.


I doubt "many places" - but they do have every right to be in the
carriageway.


It is long past time that people stopped making excuses for motor
danger.

Guy


Any chance of an answer yet:

Do you think that as a pedestrian you are more likely to be hit by a
bike being intentionally ridden along the path than you are by a car
being intentionally driven along the path?

No, he cant answer that, because if he did so he's stuck between two
rocks - either he says the car's more likely, in which case everyone
points and laughs (well, those without their own anticar agenda, anyway)
or he says the bike's more likely and ruins his argument. As with many
other questions put to him, then, he's forced to stick his fingers in
his ears and sing "I cant hear you hahahaha". Poor sod, we should pity
him really...
  #126  
Old January 25th 09, 05:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:39:16 -0000, "pk" said
in :

Which does not actually change the documented fact that pedestrians
are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than
cyclists.


I think the fact that is documented it the number of reported injuries not
the number of injuries per se, there is after all a legal duty to report
motor accident causing injury there will be close to 100% reporting of car
related injuries but a far lower proportion of the minor cycle/pedestrian
collisions will be reported.


Reporting of injuries does indeed vary according to severity and
cause. Nearly all fatalities, and most serious injuries, are
recorded. Trivial injuries are mostly unreported, we can only infer
things form the relative prevalence of those injuries which are
reported. For example, we know that half of all injury admissions
to hospital are due to simple trips and falls, and many of these are
on footways. My council says that the major cause of footway trips
is damage to the footways by motor vehicle encroachment.

probably better, though, to stick with the figures we do have rather
than suppositions. And also probably better to look to the causes
and how they might be fixed, rather than advocating draconian
responses to the symptoms. Especially since the symptom is, in many
cases, entirely legal now.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Ah ****, sorry, I normally try and not rise to Chapmans
idiocy but this time I couldn't resist. Now he wants to blame cars for
incidents on the pavement even when they're not *there*!!!
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Old January 25th 09, 05:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Clive George wrote:
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
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In my experience, they aren't.
But I would imagine that most motorist caused injuries are reported,
probably not the same for cycle collisions. (My daughters injuries were
not reported)


Why not? If you want the authorities to do something about this, you need
them to have the evidence that it is a problem.

Complaining on here isn't going to do anything - go to the police and get
the injury recorded.

What did you do about the person who caused the injury?


How can he do anything - the psycholist used his Get Out Of Jail Free
card by exploiting his lack of visible identification. Fit the *******
with number plates and there will be an amazing reduction in lawbreaking
cycling.
  #128  
Old January 25th 09, 05:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Phil W Lee wrote:
"Just zis Guy, you know?" considered Sun, 25
Jan 2009 08:33:16 +0000 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:02:05 +0000, JNugent
said in
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Why not just "start" by arresting footway cyclists, fining them (heavily) and
crushing their bikes?

For the same reason that you don't treat a runny nose by nasal
amputation. It's a symptom, and not even a serious one as far as
the available evidence goes.

I think you're feeding the trolls


No, I think he *is* one.
  #129  
Old January 25th 09, 05:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:09:32 +0000
_ wrote:

Fit the
******* with number plates and there will be an amazing reduction in
lawbreaking cycling.


It works so well with motorists, after all ...

  #130  
Old January 25th 09, 05:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:05:02 +0000, David Hansen
said in
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However, councils are adding white paint and blue signs to
pavements. By magic that turns the pavement into a "cycle facility",
which cyclists are supposed to be grateful for and want to use.


And woe betide them if they fail to show the proper gratitude. It
is of course Perfectly Reasonable to drive a 38T artic at them in
order to educate them as to the folly of failing to use a narrow
grit-strewn footpath instead of a road when Magic White Paint (TM)
is in place.

Unfortunately I dont have a 38T artic available. Can I use a 2 1/2T
Landy instead?
 




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