Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

On Apr 20, 3:48 pm, Turby wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:07:34 -0400, Wayne Pein
wrote:

And most bicyclists are also motorists.

I'd bet most bicyclists are schoolchildren too young to drive.

We are motorcyclists without the need to have an engine do the job for
us. So we have better legs, less stomach and can eat more pizza.

I guess we are gonna find this problem with arming NUN (everybody)...

(needless to say someone my just shoot the priest for rape)

Two students injured in parking lot before school starts

What began as an argument in a convenience store parking lot spilled
onto the campus of Western High School Tuesday morning, bringing
gunfire and bloodshed with it.

The shooting in the school parking lot sent students scattering for
cover and left two freshmen injured by gunfire. The two injured
students, a boy and a girl, were sent home after being treated at
University Medical Center.

The shooting began about 6:30 a.m. as students began arriving at the
campus at Decatur Boulevard and Bonanza Road.

Sophomore Celia Gonzalez said she heard the shots as she was about to
enter a school building. She turned her head and saw a student lying
on the pavement holding his leg, she said.

She and her classmates, many of whom were getting off buses, took off.

"I started running. I wasn't about to get shot," Gonzalez said. "There
were a lot of people running. Nobody knew what was going on."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../11886461.html

In rec.bicycles.misc Turby wrote:
Wayne Pein wrote:

And most bicyclists are also motorists.

I'd bet most bicyclists are schoolchildren too young to drive.

Sadly, unfortunately, probably not true [1]. You see a lot of
white-collar people commuting on bikes, lots of recent immigrants,
college age adults, and of course I'm sure a reasonable number of people
cycling because they've lost their license for DUI or other offenses.

Too many children are playing video games, watching TV indoors,
or being driven to and fro for scheduled activities to be out riding
bikes these days.

[1] This is one of the reasons behind Americans ever widening buttocks.

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"Thumper" wrote:
You guys are rude, inconsiderate and a danger to motorists.

....hey, but at least they are in touch with their effeminate side by wearing
brightly-colored Spandex.

B~

In article .com, John Kane wrote:

Certainly would have been. On the other hand do you really want a
bunch of 19 year old students, whooping it up in the local univ bars
and carrying all sorts of heavy weaponry when the males get into a
strutting contest? Hell, you'd probably lose more people on a normal
Saturday night.

Even 15 year olds with guns in their HS lockers worked fine for many
decades until people became children of the government.

"Wayne Pein" wrote:
You're a hoot. Bicyclists DO pay for their tarmac. It's called taxes. And
most bicyclists are also motorists. Quit your whining.

In your little rose-colored misanthropic world they do. Around here, we
have a majority of bike riders who probably do not own a car, nor pay any
form of taxes either. No doubt many are illegal entrants, but to make such
a claim as your is pure rubbish. They obey no laws, pay no taxes - but some
is paying for their usage.

You want to ride your bike on a public roadway, then pay up buddy. I'm
tired of paying for everyone else.

As I said, the dirt bikers pay their portion (mostly not accountable by BLM)
to ride elsewhere. You should not be exempt either.

If you can't deal with slow traffic on rural byways, learn how to drive
better. I don't have a problem, why do you? Do you also have a problem
with slow moving farm tractors?

So you favor ranchers being told to stay home all day so you can occupy
their roads? And I suppose you think that is okay too?

How about we car drivers tell you to stay home so we can drive on our
streets and use the lanes that were taken away from us that you admit to not
using, preferring to ride in the car lane's instead? OH, and we would like
to leave out house sometime during the day too and not have it quarantined
off all day for the likes of you.

The fact that gas taxes in part pay for roads doesn't mean that non gas
users can't use them. If you don't like paying gas tax, ride a bike.
Decision makers have decided that is free. Quit whining. Or whine to
decision makers, but don't whine at bicyclists for using what we are
entitled to.


Sorry, but it seems the Spandex crowd has gotten more vocal at crying for
more bicycle pathways to be built and not being subsequently used by them.

I don't want it clean. I don't want it at all.

Too bad. You and your ilk have already claimed a good portion of roadway and
parking areas.

I don't want exclusive space, so no, I won't pay. If decision makers make
me pay, I'll agree to pay 1/100 of what motorists pay since that is about
what a bike weighs. Factor in the fact that bikes don't use gas (that's a
good thing) and one could justify even less fee.

Bingo! We have a winner (maybe, not quite).

Yes. You and other bicyclists need to fess up to being selfish with the
respects of road usage. To say it is 1/100 is crap. In town, they took
parking along side the roads, as well as a good lane of what was four. I'd
say it is more like 5/6 of the roadway we've lost to the Spandex pixies.
Divide that up among the pixies users - more like non-users - and it would
amount to more than 1/100.

Pay your fair portion - or get off the vehicular roadway and stay in your
own "supposedly taxed-paid-by-all" lanes. Oh, and quit depriving people
access to their property as well (you Spandex pixies are the only ones who
do that!).

B~

Sez :
You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or
300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or
100 lunatics.

Better tell that to our Fearless Leader. He's been doing exactly that
since 9/11/01.

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:01:56 -0500, Don Piven
wrote:

Sez :
You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or
300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or
100 lunatics.

Better tell that to our Fearless Leader. He's been doing exactly that
since 9/11/01.

Wrong, moron. If you think 9/11 was 'just a small group of
lunatics', YOU are one of the lunatics.


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In article . com,
donquijote1954 writes:
On Apr 19, 8:56 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

Last Saturday night I was riding my bicycle around (unarmed),
to destinations where I became engaged in more creative
and sociable forms of debauchery.

You mean you enjoy sociable behavior, which is why you ride a bike,
but selfish people in cars (sometimes) make your day miserable.

No they don't. Not my whole day, anyways.
What makes my whole day miserable is not
being able to ride at all. Now that winter's
snow and ice are long past, that's not a
concern now.

Have
you tried wearing horse blinders?

I'm not into that; I'm quite straight & vanilla.
But good luck in your quest for a compatible gay
pony boy.

I wasn't in anybody's way -- drivers could easily pass me --
but just because I was there on a bicycle, I wouldn't be
surprised if I was cussed-out by some drivers for "being in
the way."

You must remember when riding a bike of how much Christ suffered at
the cross.

Let's just say I'm no Mel Gibson fan. Say, weren't
his Mad Max movies more-or-less contemporaneous with
the coining of the term: "road rage"? Hmmmm ...

Seems to me, drivers are the ones doing most of the
(self-inflicted) suffering, judging from their
complainin' and bickerin'. Statistically, they're
the ones doing most of the dying, too. largely at
each other's hands. Sure, sometimes they might take
out a non-driver along with themselves (especially
pedestrians) but for the most part it's better to
not even be in a car.

I must remember when riding a bike of what to pick
up for dinner. As a matter of fact I returned from
a nice li'l cycling coffee-stop/shopping outing just
a little while ago. Now I've got a nice, thick,
onion-slathered, sherry-moistened chuck steak and a
big spud baking in the oven. And some moro oranges
to snack on while I'm waiting. And you're telling
me to think about suffering? Okay, it grieves me to
think about the waste of human life incurred by drivers.

You really should stop portraying cycling as some
sort of martyr thing. It's quite the opposite.
It's a pleasurable indulgence.


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donquijote1954 wrote:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

THUD!!!

Car is still bigger than bicycle. At least now the driver has an excuse
(self defense).

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