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LVM breaks hour record
Dan Connelly writes:
[lotsa stuff snipped] Jeannie Longo, reigning French national champion, did about the same as the top rider in the 60-64 age group, and this is mostly Southern California/Nevada riders, not national class or international class. There's no categories in time trials, so I don't have a breakdown on who was Sr3 in the men's open category. 7 men there broke Longo's time. Davey shakes his head. Thinks ''Thank goodness for the Alley Cat Races'' At least in the Pony Express races the wimmin race with the guys. And the first across the line wins with nobody that is anybody worrying very much about the times or whether the Toronto course is faster then Montreal or Vancouver or wherever. And, at least in Toronto, it improves the bike handling too. Where else would you find a race where the final klick is downhill on the busiest street in town at rush hour of a Friday night; where in addition to having to watch for taxi jockeys who can't drive, spoilsport cops and outta town drivers gawkin' at the scenery, you gotta watch out for drunks, beggars, whores and pick-pockets crossing the street oblivious to the traffic. Yeah, and a 90 degree right hander off Yonge onto Temperance with 30 meters to go. -- le vent a Dos Davey Crockett |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
"Andy Coggan" wrote Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something very subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.) Dumbass - Perhaps, but read his other post. Dumbass, Dan is trying to troll out how CdA scales with height and mass. He wants someone to point out that W/kg is different than watts-to-aero drag, and that the difference in sizes between men and women means that hillclimb events will have a different pattern of differences between men and women than TT events. It's a troll because he already knows the answer. Next, Dan is going to claim that Armstrong is too short to break Boardman's hour record. |
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Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team raced.
Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event (there were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most of the Cat 2s and 3s. Perhaps she didn't want to embarrass her true love. I think it is useless to compare climbing and the hour. Climbing has so many more variables than an hour of power output on a track. So lets collect some money from all the rbr denizens and when we hit $1 million, we'll see who takes up the challenge. :-) "Dan Connelly" wrote in message ... Kurgan Gringioni wrote: Dumbass - BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with Cat 2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s. Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40 minutes.... I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top Sr 3's in a given aspect of racing. http://tourofthegila.com/2003race/day1womens123.html WOMEN 1,2,3 T.T. RESULTS PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME SPONSER HOMETOWN ================================================== ========================== ======================================= 1 0:40:00.68 @ 00:00 234 Jeanson, Genevieve Rona Esker Canada -- 2 0:41:27.29 @ 01:27 236 Jutras, Manon Saturn Cycling Tea Canada -- 3 0:41:31.19 @ 01:31 226 Goldstein, Leah Victory Brewing-Am Israel -- MEN 3'S T.T. RESULTS PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME SPONSER HOMETOWN ================================================== ========================== ======================================= 1 0:40:13.59 @ 00:00 476 Reidys, Christian Ochsner Los Alamos, NM -- 2 0:40:36.87 @ 00:23 493 Stetina, Peter 5280/Subaru Boulder, CO -- 3 0:40:49.12 @ 00:36 430 Farrell, Dennis Red Rocks Velo Littleton, CO -- ========================================= Here's the SoCal ITT championships: Women's Open 1 Jeannie Longo (Vitall) 46.04 2 Julia Whiteside (Minute Maid/Dasani/La Grange) 3.00 3 Christen King (unattached) 7.21 Men 60 - 64 1 Butch Richardson (SD Cyclo-Vets) 46.21 2 Dan Wulbert (Excel) 1.53 3 Edward Renger (SD Cyclo-Vets) 9.31 Jeannie Longo, reigning French national champion, did about the same as the top rider in the 60-64 age group, and this is mostly Southern California/Nevada riders, not national class or international class. There's no categories in time trials, so I don't have a breakdown on who was Sr3 in the men's open category. 7 men there broke Longo's time. Dan |
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From: "B. Lafferty"
Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team raced. Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event (there were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most of the Cat 2s and 3s. Did you notice if she turned even one pedal stroke at the front while 7-11 stomped the lokies with one leg tied behind their back? (May I take the hook out now?) --TP |
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"Tom Paterson" wrote in message ... From: "B. Lafferty" Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team raced. Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event (there were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most of the Cat 2s and 3s. Did you notice if she turned even one pedal stroke at the front while 7-11 stomped the lokies with one leg tied behind their back? (May I take the hook out now?) --TP IIRC, she did a few turns at the front before Davis and a couple of locals got away with Davis taking the sprint, very, very easily. BTW, I think one of the locals in that break was a veteran (what we would now call a Master) named Arnie Urlass, who was a double Olympian in cycling and speed skating in the 1950s or early 1960s. |
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From: "B. Lafferty"
BTW, I think one of the locals in that break was a veteran (what we would now call a Master) named Arnie Urlass, who was a double Olympian in cycling and speed skating in the 1950s or early 1960s. I at least know the name... Hey, I yelled at Mel Bradley (Jeff and Jackie's --sp--? dad) once in 1980-1 after he moved over to see if I'd yell at him for moving over on me in the IV/Vets/Women/whateverfieldfiller event. I think Jeff won the 1,2, 3 that day (Sterling Il.) As you know, with no travel and a sort of "home field" advantage, DP also won that 'Merican bike race where all the Euro pros came over in '83. Baltimore, don't think it was quite so easy but at least if you got beat by him it was by one of the best (even if he was only using one leg). --TP |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote: "Dan Connelly" wrote in message ... Kurgan Gringioni wrote: Dumbass - BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with Cat 2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s. Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40 minutes.... I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top Sr 3's in a given aspect of racing. Dumbass - We're talking about going uphill. Women are better at that (relatively) than flat tt'ing because of their light weight. There's a lot of uphill on the track -- all that banking and stuff. No -- I'm talking about the hour record. Dan |
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Okay -- I'll talk about climbing.
Mt Washington is a fundraiser. The entry fees are extremely high, and it isn't even USCF sanctioned. Let's use Mt Evans, which has deeper entry lists. SMP1/2 Place Name Club Time @Time 1 Vaughters, Jonathan Prime Alliance 1:49:29 0:00:00 2 Miller, Drew Trek VW 1:49:34 0:00:05 3 Gullickson, Marc Excel Sports 1:52:05 0:02:36 SM3 Place Name Club Time @Time 1 Zirbel, Tom Unattached 1:58:25 0:00:00 2 Hagman, Alex Fort Frames / Hagman Architects 1:58:57 0:00:32 3 Stetina, Peter 5280/Subaru 1:59:04 0:00:39 The top Sr 3 finished within 9% of the top male, who set the record up Mt Ventoux. Meanwhile, Antequil was 15% off Mayo's time. Is Vaughters in the class of Anquetil? Maybe not. But I don't expect Tom Zirbil is necessarily the best climbing Sr3 in the world, either. In your race, GJ finished 10% slower than Danielson. This is normal -- women are about 11% slower, more or less. Sr3 are about 10% slower, more or less. Dan Kurgan Gringioni wrote: Dumbass - We're talking about going uphill. Women are better at that (relatively) than flat tt'ing because of their light weight. http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/?id=...2/washington02 Mount Washington Hillclimb - NE New Hampshire, USA, August 24, 2002 Results, 12.3km (Number in brackets indicates overall position) Women 20-34 1 Genevieve Jeanson (Can) Rona 54.02 (3) 2 Lyne Bessette (Can) 1.04.31 (19) 3 Susan Duff 1.18.00 (105) snip Men 20-34 1 Thomas Danielson (USA) Mercury 49.24 (1) 2 Tim Johnson (USA) Saturn 53.56 (2) 3 Carl Swenson (USA) RLX Polo Sport 54.45 (4) snip |
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Robert Chung wrote: Kurgan Gringioni wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something very subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.) Dumbass - Perhaps, but read his other post. Dumbass, Dan is trying to troll out how CdA scales with height and mass. He wants someone to point out that W/kg is different than watts-to-aero drag, and that the difference in sizes between men and women means that hillclimb events will have a different pattern of differences between men and women than TT events. It's a troll because he already knows the answer. Next, Dan is going to claim that Armstrong is too short to break Boardman's hour record. I still don't buy that Cd ~ mass argument . Dan |
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Last man that attempted the our record and rode for an hour
was Jean Nuttli. He only managed 47.093, and he's a pro and TT specialist. LVM record is only 7% slower than Boardman's. In the first Vuelta TT this year there were only 20 guys within 7% of Nozal's time, and it only grew to 30 in the 2nd TT (ok, not everyone was trying, but they were some who tried and failed). Do you think cat3 riders could rank as high? Jenko -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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