OT--reflectors on wheelchairs

here in teh bronx almost all the motorized wheelchairs i see have no
refectors anywhere on them

what about your experience?

tia
peter

On Jan 3, 6:34*pm, "ilaboo" wrote:
here in teh bronx almost all the motorized wheelchairs i see have no
refectors anywhere on them

what about your experience?

tia
peter

Peter,
Here is San Jose the other day I saw a guy in just such a wheelchair,
no relectors, no lights, no nothing.
And he was going against traffic, in the BIKE LANE... if I hadn't been
in my car and late for my massage,
I woulda said something!

ABS

Are you talking about motorized wheelchairs in the bike lane? Or, just
motorized wheelchairs in the grocery store, library, mall, etc.

One could argue that people, in general, should *always* wear
something to be seen and noticed. Sequin clothing? Garish neon
clothing?

Ot, maybe wear something that physically makes noise? For example, a
battery powered underwear honker.

I'm onto something

Cullen

On Jan 4, 12:04*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:34*pm, "ilaboo" wrote:

here in teh bronx almost all the motorized wheelchairs i see have no
refectors anywhere on them

what about your experience?

tia
peter

Peter,
Here is San Jose the other day I saw a guy in just such a wheelchair,
no relectors, no lights, no nothing.
And he was going against traffic, in the BIKE LANE... if I hadn't been
in my car and late for my massage,
I woulda said something!

ABS

what about your experience?

tia
peter

Peter,
Here is San Jose the other day I saw a guy in just such a wheelchair,
no relectors, no lights, no nothing.
And he was going against traffic, in the BIKE LANE... if I hadn't been
in my car and late for my massage,
I woulda said something!

ABS

i am convienced that motorized wheelchairs in the street with no relecters
is in esssence an attemp to commit suicide--or deep hostility to others--i
mentioned the necessity of refecters to dept of motor vehicles here in ny
and as to be expected no response

i know of 2 deaths so far

tia
peter

Peter,
Here is San Jose the other day I saw a guy in just such a wheelchair,
no relectors, no lights, no nothing.
And he was going against traffic, in the BIKE LANE... if I hadn't been
in my car and late for my massage,
I woulda said something!

ABS

Come to think of it, I have seen 2 or 3 motorized wheelchairs on the streets
lately. They are NOT in any bike lane; they are in the regular traffic lane.
Two have been traveling against traffic, too. I have also seen them zoom
across the street (not in a marked crosswalk) as if they think they are
going fast enough to "beat" the cars coming at them at 45 mph. I would
really hate to hit one of them! Having said that, there are so many of our
streets here being constructed without sidewalks. And, I doubt the motorized
wheelchairs could drive down the grassy edge of the road, especially with so
much of the roadside being slightly on a slope.

Pat in TX

On Jan 4, 1:04 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:34 pm, "ilaboo" wrote:

here in teh bronx almost all the motorized wheelchairs i see have no
refectors anywhere on them

what about your experience?

tia
peter

Peter,
Here is San Jose the other day I saw a guy in just such a wheelchair,
no relectors, no lights, no nothing.
And he was going against traffic, in the BIKE LANE... if I hadn't been
in my car and late for my massage,
I woulda said something!

What would you say? "Rise up and walk?" Sorry, that line's been
taken.

ISTM that expecting pedestrians, including wheelchair-bound
pedestrians, to don flashing lights, reflective clothing, etc. is high
handed and presumptuous. If you're in a car, it is your DUTY to drive
so you can avoid people who are walking. That's true even if they are
walking (or rolling) at night. If you can't stop before hitting an
African man dressed all in black, you're driving too fast.

The world did not come into existence for the convenience of
motorists. People should be able to walk (or roll their wheelchair,
or ride their bicycle) to any destination they like, using reasonable
courtesy.

If their passing interferes with your motoring, it's likely that
you're demanding too much privilege. Slow down.

- Frank Krygowski

One time, I was going somewhere at night. I had turned off the loop, going
on to the freeway. Suddenly, as I rounded the curve, two black teens wearing
black clothing ran across the freeway in front of me. All I saw was a
fragment in time of their (seemingly) being suspended in the middle of
running, and then their images disappeared. Would I have been at fault if I
had hit them? Just thinking about it gives me the shakes!

I was driving at or under the speed limit. They were like ghosts who
suddenly appeared when my headlights hit them. Whether the motorized
wheelchairs have the "right" to be on the road or not, they should at least
take care to be easily visible to motorists. After all, if I hit one of
them, I will likely have nightmares about it---but the guy will be dead!

Pat in TX

ISTM that expecting pedestrians, including wheelchair-bound
pedestrians, to don flashing lights, reflective clothing, etc. is high
handed and presumptuous. If you're in a car, it is your DUTY to drive
so you can avoid people who are walking. That's true even if they are
walking (or rolling) at night. If you can't stop before hitting an
African man dressed all in black, you're driving too fast.


all you say maybe true but if someone wants to commit suicide they really
should do it on their terms and not involve others
i think it should be the law that no childrens outdoor clothing can be sold
in this country without some sort of reflector on it
and the same goes for motorized wheelchairs

tia
peter

Frank Krygowski wrote:

ISTM that expecting pedestrians, including wheelchair-bound
pedestrians, to don flashing lights, reflective clothing, etc. is high
handed and presumptuous. If you're in a car, it is your DUTY to drive
so you can avoid people who are walking. That's true even if they are
walking (or rolling) at night. If you can't stop before hitting an
African man dressed all in black, you're driving too fast.

The world did not come into existence for the convenience of
motorists. People should be able to walk (or roll their wheelchair,
or ride their bicycle) to any destination they like, using reasonable
courtesy.

If their passing interferes with your motoring, it's likely that
you're demanding too much privilege. Slow down.

Hear, hear!

Even the simplest ethical analysis dictates that motorists bear both
responsibility for the harm they inflict upon non-motorists, and the
duty to prevent such harm. Yet we as a society and a legal
institution seem to be incapable of applying even the simplest ethics
to motor vehicles and those who use them.

Chalo

ilaboo aka Peter Lener wrote:
...
i am convienced that motorized wheelchairs in the street with no relecters
is in esssence an attemp to commit suicide...

If your life is already rotten, a physical handicap might well be the
last straw.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!