Pedestrian killed by cyclist in London

On Wednesday, 9 March 2016 11:20:02 UTC, John Smith wrote:

No arrests. At a guess, then, the pedestrian was crossing the road in the
middle of traffic. Very sad, but no more sad than when a psychopath kills
a pedestrian who is crossing in the middle of traffic. Something that has
apparently happened around 45,000 times this century.

Seems to be the case, yes.

QUOTE:
"The cyclist stopped at the scene, which is near the junction with Charlotte Road. He was not arrested, but police are now appealing for witnesses to come forward so they can properly establish what happened.

The Reliance's general manager Mario Assi, 45, told the Gazette: "She came from one of the shops, crossed the road and the next thing she is falling on the floor and the cyclist is falling as well. The cyclist got up but she didn't move.

"I've known the area for years and you often get near misses with cyclists when crossing the road. It is so unfortunate. How often do you hear about a person getting hit by a bike and dying?

"The cyclist was so distressed and in such a bad way. He would have been going quite fast. It was just the timing, if it was half a second later or earlier she wouldn't have died, I don't think."

On 09/03/2016 15:46, Alycidon wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 March 2016 11:20:02 UTC, John Smith wrote:

No arrests. At a guess, then, the pedestrian was crossing the road in the
middle of traffic. Very sad, but no more sad than when a psychopath kills
a pedestrian who is crossing in the middle of traffic. Something that has
apparently happened around 45,000 times this century.

Seems to be the case, yes.

QUOTE:
"The cyclist stopped at the scene, which is near the junction with Charlotte Road. He was not arrested, but police are now appealing for witnesses to come forward so they can properly establish what happened.

The Reliance's general manager Mario Assi, 45, told the Gazette: "She came from one of the shops, crossed the road and the next thing she is falling on the floor and the cyclist is falling as well. The cyclist got up but she didn't move.

"I've known the area for years and you often get near misses with cyclists when crossing the road. It is so unfortunate. How often do you hear about a person getting hit by a bike and dying?

"The cyclist was so distressed and in such a bad way. He would have been going quite fast. It was just the timing, if it was half a second later or earlier she wouldn't have died, I don't think."


So the cyclist was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous?

MrCheerful wrote:
On 09/03/2016 14:10, John Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2016 13:25, TMS320 wrote:
"JNugent" wrote
On 09/03/2016 10:42, TMS320 wrote:

When a motorist is in the fray, the press only seem to mention the
vehicle they happened to be driving.

Normal English idiom.

And?

And there's nothing wrong with it?

There would only be 'nothing wrong with it' if it were applied
consistently across all collisions involving all vehicle types. It
isn't. It is almost exclusively reserved for those involving motor
vehicles and serves to absolve psychopaths of their responsibility,
because 'everybody drives'.

If, for example, we got to read about how a pedestrian on Old Street
died after being in a collision with a bicycle, then fair enough. But
we don't. When the pedestrian is injured by a collision with a motor
vehicle, the driver is not mentioned. When the pedestrian is injured in
a collision with a bicycle, the vehicle is not mentioned - only the
operator. This is the case even if the 'cyclist' gets off the bike,
runs half a mile and commits a crime. No matter - he is 'a cyclist' and
the witchhunters get to nod their heads and say 'lycra louts', as the
rest of the population tuts sympathetically.

'Everybody drives', so Britain (and much of the rest of the first world)
has a culture of impunity where drivers are concerned. Speeding,
dangerous driving and killing is tolerated and 'downgraded' on the
occasions where it is is inflicted from the driving seat of a car.

The inevitable result of this is that the psychopath knows he can do
almost anything and avoid sanction, because 'everybody drives'. Indeed,
some people have learned that they can in even commit premeditated
murder and get away with it. All they have to do is to claim that the
sun was low, or that he 'didn't see him', or that 'he came out of
nowhere'.

Nothing to see here, move along, thank you very much.

There are plenty of reports that say driver, (rather than car) was
involved in a crash.

Considering the carnage inflicted on the British pedestrian and British
cyclist, by psychopaths, there are hardly any.


--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

"MrCheerful" wrote
On 09/03/2016 15:46, Alycidon wrote:

The Reliance's general manager Mario Assi, 45, told the Gazette:
"...How often do you hear about a person getting hit by a bike and dying?

There's a pleasant change. A realist.

"The cyclist was so distressed and in such a bad way. He would have been
going quite fast. It was just the timing, if it was half a second later
or earlier she wouldn't have died, I don't think."

So the cyclist was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous?

Maybe the pedestrian was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous. That normally seems to be the outcome when drivers plough into
pedestrians.

MrCheerful wrote:
On 09/03/2016 15:46, Alycidon wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 March 2016 11:20:02 UTC, John Smith wrote:

No arrests. At a guess, then, the pedestrian was crossing the road in
the middle of traffic. Very sad, but no more sad than when a
psychopath kills a pedestrian who is crossing in the middle of traffic.
Something that has apparently happened around 45,000 times this
century.

Seems to be the case, yes.

QUOTE: "The cyclist stopped at the scene, which is near the junction
with Charlotte Road. He was not arrested, but police are now appealing
for witnesses to come forward so they can properly establish what
happened.

The Reliance's general manager Mario Assi, 45, told the Gazette: "She
came from one of the shops, crossed the road and the next thing she is
falling on the floor and the cyclist is falling as well. The cyclist got
up but she didn't move.

"I've known the area for years and you often get near misses with
cyclists when crossing the road. It is so unfortunate. How often do you
hear about a person getting hit by a bike and dying?

"The cyclist was so distressed and in such a bad way. He would have been
going quite fast. It was just the timing, if it was half a second later
or earlier she wouldn't have died, I don't think."

So the cyclist was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous?

Cyclists cannot travel 'too fast for the conditions' any more than we can
'exceed the speed limit'.


--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

TMS320 wrote:
"MrCheerful" wrote

So the cyclist was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous?

Maybe the pedestrian was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless
or dangerous. That normally seems to be the outcome when drivers plough
into pedestrians.

I'm willing to bet the pedestrian wasn't wearing hi-viz, didn't have a
plastic hat, and was neither taxed nor insured.

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

On 09/03/2016 16:41, John Smith wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:
On 09/03/2016 15:46, Alycidon wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 March 2016 11:20:02 UTC, John Smith wrote:

No arrests. At a guess, then, the pedestrian was crossing the road in
the middle of traffic. Very sad, but no more sad than when a
psychopath kills a pedestrian who is crossing in the middle of traffic.
Something that has apparently happened around 45,000 times this
century.

Seems to be the case, yes.

QUOTE: "The cyclist stopped at the scene, which is near the junction
with Charlotte Road. He was not arrested, but police are now appealing
for witnesses to come forward so they can properly establish what
happened.

The Reliance's general manager Mario Assi, 45, told the Gazette: "She
came from one of the shops, crossed the road and the next thing she is
falling on the floor and the cyclist is falling as well. The cyclist got
up but she didn't move.

"I've known the area for years and you often get near misses with
cyclists when crossing the road. It is so unfortunate. How often do you
hear about a person getting hit by a bike and dying?

"The cyclist was so distressed and in such a bad way. He would have been
going quite fast. It was just the timing, if it was half a second later
or earlier she wouldn't have died, I don't think."

So the cyclist was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless or
dangerous?

Cyclists cannot travel 'too fast for the conditions' any more than we can
'exceed the speed limit'.



Yes they can, it is a consideration when charging for careless or
dangerous cycling.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 16:41:01 +0000
John Smith wrote:

Cyclists cannot travel 'too fast for the conditions'

Don't be silly, of course they can. If there are lots of pedestrians
and parked cars they should expect someone to step out in front of them
without looking properly. If there are "lots of near misses with
cyclists" then pedestrians should really be taking more care too.

On Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:52:03 UTC, John Smith wrote:


Maybe the pedestrian was travelling too fast for the conditions, careless
or dangerous. That normally seems to be the outcome when drivers plough
into pedestrians.

I'm willing to bet the pedestrian wasn't wearing hi-viz, didn't have a
plastic hat, and was neither taxed nor insured.

Woman, 44, dies of *head injury* after being hit by cyclist in Old Street.

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news...rian_1_4449306

Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 16:41:01 +0000
John Smith wrote:

Cyclists cannot travel 'too fast for the conditions'

Don't be silly, of course they can. If there are lots of pedestrians
and parked cars they should expect someone to step out in front of
them without looking properly.


If there are "lots of near misses with
cyclists" then pedestrians should really be taking more care too.

Yeah, this little girl should have looked right, left and right again.
If she had done that she would have not been knocked down by this piece of
****.
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/ne...path-1-7387745