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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 20, 11:19*pm, Pat wrote:
On May 20, 11:54*am, ComandanteBanana wrote: You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right thing and riding a bike. It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus... "My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as me..." And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of the American landscape? Here's what I would do if I ever were president... "Bicycles should the first line of development, then public transportation, then alternative vehicles..." WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE (beware of the lion)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote Okay, make a list of the things this administration has done right and/ or well. *Now, you want them to promote biking? *Getting the administration behind it would be a sure-fire way to make sure NO ONE bikes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The only thing they've done right is the price of gas to skyrocket. You know, it makes bikes more tempting... However you can argue it was an unintended consequence of the invasion of Iraq, Venezuela, etc. The political jungle is difficult to understand. A lot of camouflage in it. So I won't give them the credit either. |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 20, 11:57*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On May 20, 10:28 pm, "Jack May" wrote: You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President. His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even more problems than already exist in the world food supply. You don't know what a calorie is. You don't recognize the equation F=MA. He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by the public. * Bikes will then be a total failure. * *The worst thing that can possibly happen to a politician. * They will realize the stupidity of trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations. You have never been to Holland. R The Europeans have been trying to send signals to this president, but he never got the hint. Like when the Prime Minister of Denmark gave Bush a bike, but he never made any fuss about it. I hear he's into the bicycling hobby, but not into the bicycling solution. |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 21, 2:12 am, Jym Dyer wrote:
CommandanteBanana/DonQuixote/LoonProblem writes: Here's what I would do if I ever were president... =v= If you were President, the U.S. would annoy the U.K. very much, if you inability to honor rudimentary Usenet courtesy is any indications. (Followups NOT to uk.rec.cycling.) Nothing annoys them more than Bush. I hear they even got rid of their PM, because he was a sort of American lapdog. http://www.iranvision.com/images/inf...air_lapdog.jpg |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 21, 3:48*am, Tadej Brezina wrote:
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. Why not? She/he's a human with stinking farts and other necessities as every other person, So why not lycra for increased cycling comfort instead of trying to cycle in suit and tie. No, I only said it because the president is not supposed to be sexy in such a Christian nation. But I don't see any contradiction between being patriotic and being sexy... http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...V52130086_.jpg “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair in The Jungle It seems we are fighting the same jungle, huh? "In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle' |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 20, 9:28 pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right thing and riding a bike. It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus... "My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as me..." And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of the American landscape? Here's what I would do if I ever were president... You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President. His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even more problems than already exist in the world food supply. OMG! Somebody is certainly even dumber than Bush... I suspect it's the moron that thinks there is a net energy savings in using a 3/4 truck to haul his ass to the office rather than a bicycle. I'll bet part of your calculation is to include the energy it takes to deliver the snickers bar to the grocery store and you think that there is a pipeline bringing the gallon of Esso to the corner gas station. You need to give up the pipe there, Jack. |
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On May 21, 4:03*am, Tadej Brezina wrote:
Most transportation capabilities as far as I remember transport inquiries in my country (EU, Austria) comprise of: *) moving abt. one person (transporting goods not capable of being transported with a bike due to bulkiness and weight amounts to abt. 10-15% of trips) *) trip-lengths of 3-5 km length in more than 50% of the trips made. The US-situation might not be as favourable as elsewhere due to sprawled out city structure and wider distributed trip lengths. But not a real challenge for people with average fitness either, given non-cycling-hostile boundary conditions. Yep, the sprawl is the root of the problem, but bicycling in combination with public transportation could cover those distances. Only problem is, WHO DARES TO RIDE A BIKE WHEN THE LAW OF THE ROAD IS THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE? |
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the dumb cyclists are smarter
On May 21, 2:28*pm, DennisTheBald wrote:
On May 20, 9:28 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right thing and riding a bike. It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus... "My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as me..." And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of the American landscape? Here's what I would do if I ever were president... You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President. His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even more problems than already exist in the world food supply. OMG! Somebody is certainly even dumber than Bush... I suspect it's the moron that thinks there is a net energy savings in using a 3/4 truck to haul his ass to the office rather than a bicycle. *I'll bet part of your calculation is to include the energy it takes to deliver the snickers bar to the grocery store and you think that there is a pipeline bringing the gallon of Esso to the corner gas station. *You need to give up the pipe there, Jack.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or maybe they are not even dumb, but playing dumb. They think though that by getting away with evil they are smarter than the rest, and they are just planting the seeds of their own undoing. In the end, the dumb cyclists are smarter. |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
(Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety)
QUOTE(datako @ May 21 2008, 03:54 PM) "All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety thinking it requires of workplaces to road users. Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/ h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of distance. Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users." That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago... 'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into "Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 21, 7:16 pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote: (Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety) QUOTE(datako @ May 21 2008, 03:54 PM) "All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety thinking it requires of workplaces to road users. Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/ h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of distance. Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users." That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago... 'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into "Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle Read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollan. We have only substituted one set of a problems for another. I, for one, would just as soon have the old jungle. R |
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Would you like the Govt to promote biking?
On May 22, 8:46*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On May 21, 7:16 pm, ComandanteBanana wrote: (Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety) QUOTE(datako @ May 21 2008, 03:54 PM) "All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety thinking it requires of workplaces to road users. Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/ h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of distance. Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users." That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago... 'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into "Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle Read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollan. *We have only substituted one set of a problems for another. *I, for one, would just as soon have the old jungle. Let me quote from a review... "he creates the ground work for a fairly simple conclusion - industrial scale food production, whether organic or non, is a failure, a disaster for those who care about ethics or the environment. In a way, it doesn't matter whether what you care about is the suffering of animals (industrial slaughter) or the suffering of humans (malnutrition), the extermination of songbirds (pesticides) or rising cancer rates (pesticides) or the extermination of everyone due to global warming, the conclusion that Pollan expertly and gracefully leads us to - ie, that many more people need to take a role in their own food systems, both by buying locally, encouraging the creation of millions of new small farms instead of an expanding industrial system, and by growing some of their own (or hunting it, or foraging)..." http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dile.../dp/1594200823 And it is here that the bicycle is so fitting. Buying locally, biking locally. We've got two bikes with huge baskets that we use to go to the supermarket. Regrettably, it ain't Whole Foods, so we can only pick and choose a few products. I still eat meat and drink diet Coke, but maybe we should be ready to give them up after the revolution... Oh, there's a Farmers Market in the other direction, so I promise to check it out Saturday. |
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