Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian Utopian Bike Program

On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:





On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per ComandanteBanana:

"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page...

I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
--
PeteCresswell

I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
distorted worldview.

I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.

I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.

But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
destroy things.

We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would
put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.

I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,

He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the
man with the actor's roles.

but I like peace and safety in
the jungle.

I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of
government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes.
This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
misery.

Andre Jute
Oldfashioned liberal

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:





On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per ComandanteBanana:

"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page...

I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
--
PeteCresswell

I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
distorted worldview.

I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.

I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.

But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
destroy things.

We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would
put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.

I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,

He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the
man with the actor's roles.

but I like peace and safety in
the jungle.

I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of
government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes.
This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
misery.

Andre Jute
Oldfashioned liberal


I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our
parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can,
however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's
a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

On Nov 4, 3:54*pm, dgk wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute





wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per ComandanteBanana:

"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page...

I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
--
PeteCresswell

I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
distorted worldview.

I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.

I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.

But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
destroy things.

We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would
put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.

I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,

He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the
man with the actor's roles.

but I like peace and safety in
the jungle.

I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of
government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes.
This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
misery.

Andre Jute
Oldfashioned liberal

I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our
parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can,
however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's
a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded
in history if we ever have to write it.

And no bicycles and no honest people here either.

In article ,
dgk wrote:

I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak,
usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not
infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.

Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.

Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing
for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).

Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dgk wrote:
[...]
Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
(Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He
might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals
too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up!

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn
Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.

Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama
because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dgk wrote:
[...]
Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
(Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He
might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.

One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have
stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your
facts together or go away.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis.

Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington
Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial
classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to
all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls
were in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really
stupid kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to
California in 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion
and about 2 years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head
count and graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That
wasn't anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded
school system (in 1963).

We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

GWB was a prime example of that.

All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals
too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up!

Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left
behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest
Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
You are 110% wrong here, Ed.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution
supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone
farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.

Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn
Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.

WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the
new Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of **** we don't need.
It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys
corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70
should be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be
young enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation,
gradual changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his
generation might not apply to the up and coming generation.

Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my
bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a
guy on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and
called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their
turf. Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these
clowns told me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid
about everything.

Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama
because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!

Ed,
Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy
was a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad
if he could single handedly bring down the world economy.
What don't you understand?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



My magnificent brain is tired of your not so magnificent drivel.
*PLONK*
Bill Baka

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dgk wrote:
[...]
Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain
(Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland.
He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.

One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have
stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your
facts together or go away.

We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was
in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to
attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and
most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get
rid of him once the war was won.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul.
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public
welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis.

Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington
Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial
classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to
all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were
in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid
kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in
1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2
years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and
graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't
anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school
system (in 1963).

It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just
in opportunities, but in outcomes.

We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

GWB was a prime example of that.

Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
Islamic extremism. We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what
happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.

All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No
wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of
liberals too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up!

Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do
anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind
just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be
an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids.
You are 110% wrong here, Ed.

Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school
boards) and of the states. The federal government has almost nothing do with
education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats. They are the ones who
determine what the quality of education is going to be.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution
supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone
farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue.

Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the
Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.

WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new
Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of **** we don't need.
It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys
corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should
be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young
enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual
changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation
might not apply to the up and coming generation.

Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously.
He is better than most college professors of political science that I have
ever had an acquaintance with. Limbaugh is also educational, but he laces
his commentary with entertainment.

Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my
bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy
on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and
called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf.
Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told
me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about
everything.

It is Obama and liberal Dems who are the control freaks. You have got
everything backwards.

Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to
inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale
and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with
Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another
Reagan!

Ed,
Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was
a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he
could single handedly bring down the world economy.
What don't you understand?

Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, most
especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Cheney
was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had. He should have a
monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington
Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so
he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta!

We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread
started by ComandanteBanana.

Can it get any better than this?

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

Per Tim McNamara:
We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

I wouldn't sign on to language that extreme, but I think you have
hit on a major reason why the USA is on the long downslide: an
even-more-than-usually ignorant and non-critical electorate.

It's easy to blame politicians, but they're just doing what
politicians do: try to get elected and re-elected. It's the
electorate's sanctioning of the politicians - of whichever party
- that is the root cause.
--
PeteCresswell

On Nov 4, 6:39*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,

*dgk wrote:
I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak,
usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. *Not
infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.

Like the "American Revolution"? How about the Eastern Europe ones.
They worked... to a degree. Not the real thing, of course.

One thing I'd like to witness though is the oppresion of the drivers
by the cyclists!


Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.

Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing
for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).

The problem is SOMEONE (ie. the Medical Industry) won't give up their
lion's share. What can we about it, put him on a diet?


Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people
educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two
unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper
long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. *
It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. *Our taxes went up,
city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. *The public
welfare, not so much. *And education has suffered in America for many
years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our
schools on a regular basis. *We have become a nation in which stupidity
is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.

I think the whole thing started with Globalization, ie. if you got
money who cares anymore about quality of life! Just move to a Gated
Community.


Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.

Ummm. *"Going to?" *Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.

Well, this is supposed to be our great last hope. After this...
WHAT!!!????