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Old May 29th 10, 05:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


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Old May 29th 10, 06:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.

I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.

Lower speed limits save lives.

And many bus drivers DLCs


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Old May 29th 10, 07:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message

news:[email protected]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.

I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.

Lower speed limits save lives.

And many bus drivers DLCs


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that
if
the cyclist had not pulled out in front of the bus, it may not have
needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.

I further realise that cyclist generally like someone to blame and
this view
may be unpopular.

More care save lives.
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Old May 29th 10, 09:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message

news:[email protected]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.

I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.

Lower speed limits save lives.

And many bus drivers DLCs


As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.
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Old May 29th 10, 10:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:



"Mrcheerful" wrote in message


news:[email protected]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.


I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.


Lower speed limits save lives.


And many bus drivers DLCs


As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.


Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice.
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Old May 29th 10, 10:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
FrengaX
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On May 29, 10:17*pm, Squashme wrote:
On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:





On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:


"Mrcheerful" wrote in message


news:[email protected]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.


I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.


Lower speed limits save lives.


And many bus drivers DLCs


As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.


Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice


That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non-
lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not
knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the
passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of
unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in
fatalities?
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Old May 29th 10, 10:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP

On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 10:17*pm, Squashme wrote:



On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:


On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:


"Mrcheerful" wrote in message


news:[email protected]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.


I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view
may be unpopular.


Lower speed limits save lives.


And many bus drivers DLCs


As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.


Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice


That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non-
lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not
knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the
passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of
unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in
fatalities?


Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion
"dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he?
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Old May 29th 10, 10:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_2_]
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Default dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP


"Squashme" wrote in message
...
On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote:



On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:


On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote:


"Mrcheerful" wrote in message


news:[email protected]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out
that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to
brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.


I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and
this view
may be unpopular.


Lower speed limits save lives.


And many bus drivers DLCs


As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.


Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice


That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non-
lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not
knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the
passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of
unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in
fatalities?


Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion
"dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he?

the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in
front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger suffered
a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be said that the
design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since passengers can be
unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however, hard braking would
not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a serious error.
I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard.


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Old May 29th 10, 11:19 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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Mrcheerful wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message
...
On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote:



On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm
With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out
that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to
brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.
I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and
this view
may be unpopular.
Lower speed limits save lives.
And many bus drivers DLCs
As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.
Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice

That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non-
lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not
knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the
passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of
unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in
fatalities?


Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion
"dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he?

the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in
front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger suffered
a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be said that the
design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since passengers can be
unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however, hard braking would
not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a serious error.
I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard.



We also do not know if the passengers were seated, or perhaps one
collided with another.

--
Tony Dragon
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Old May 29th 10, 11:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_2_]
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Default dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP


"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
Mrcheerful wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message
...
On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote:



On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm
With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out
that if
the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to
brake so
hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive.
I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and
this view
may be unpopular.
Lower speed limits save lives.
And many bus drivers DLCs
As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the
time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a
more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding
of the area and circumstances.
Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a
better choice
That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non-
lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not
knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the
passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of
unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in
fatalities?


Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion
"dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he?

the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in
front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger
suffered a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be
said that the design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since
passengers can be unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however,
hard braking would not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a
serious error.
I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard.


We also do not know if the passengers were seated, or perhaps one collided
with another.


even if they were standing, the cause remains with the cyclist.


 




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