French bicycles and screw threads

Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).

If I manage to remove it (a Park CT-3 tool seems a possibility), does
anyone know if the threads underneath are likely to be "standard" so
that I can fit something else?

The decision affects whether I re-rim the wheel or replace it. I would
prefer the former.

If it makes a difference, I am fairly sure the bike was built for the
British market, not imported privately. All advice (other than "it's
not worth the effort" - I already know that and don't care! - gratefully
received).

TIA


Peter

--
www.amey.org.uk

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:45:45 +0000, Peter Amey
wrote:

Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).

If I manage to remove it (a Park CT-3 tool seems a possibility), does
anyone know if the threads underneath are likely to be "standard" so
that I can fit something else?

The decision affects whether I re-rim the wheel or replace it. I would
prefer the former.

If it makes a difference, I am fairly sure the bike was built for the
British market, not imported privately. All advice (other than "it's
not worth the effort" - I already know that and don't care! - gratefully
received).

TIA


You won't know until you have it off. Peugeot in the late 70's/early
80's were changing from metric to english threading systems.

You can get a hint by examining the pedal threads. If the cycle has
metric pedal threads then it is likely to also have them eveywhere.
The cranks may be marked "14x1.25" or "BSC".

If you get the freewheel off and a standard english one threads on, it
is english. If not, it's not.

Metric cycle parts are still available from specialist cycle supliers,
and frequently on ebay.

In message
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:45:45 +0000, Peter Amey
wrote:

Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).

If I manage to remove it (a Park CT-3 tool seems a possibility), does
anyone know if the threads underneath are likely to be "standard" so
that I can fit something else?

The decision affects whether I re-rim the wheel or replace it. I would
prefer the former.

If it makes a difference, I am fairly sure the bike was built for the
British market, not imported privately. All advice (other than "it's
not worth the effort" - I already know that and don't care! - gratefully
received).

TIA


You won't know until you have it off. Peugeot in the late 70's/early
80's were changing from metric to english threading systems.

You can get a hint by examining the pedal threads. If the cycle has
metric pedal threads then it is likely to also have them eveywhere.
The cranks may be marked "14x1.25" or "BSC".

If you get the freewheel off and a standard english one threads on, it
is english. If not, it's not.

Metric cycle parts are still available from specialist cycle supliers,
and frequently on ebay.


The other possibility is that it is a Maillard helicomatic which are a
bit special and now I think quite rare.

Gwyn


--
Gwyn

Peter Amey wrote:
Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made).

No help to your question but if you are wanting to date the bike this
photo may be worth looking at. My brother beside our two Peugot 10
speed tourers in 1978. The bikes were both bought in I think 1976 or 77
from Dales Cycles in Glasgow in the days when the shop was in Maryhill
Rd. The obvious lack of cycling clothing, panniers etc didn't spoil our
enjoyment of this 1978 tour of the highlands. The bike had a really
nice handling frame, I think Mavic centrepull brakes, and a 52/40 and
14/28 gear setup.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24192247@N00/356740657/

Iain

mb wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:45:45 +0000, Peter Amey wrote:


Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).



Does it look like this:
http://www.kichline.com/chuck/bikes/...elicomatic.jpg

If so, then you need one of these:
http://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1917


No, definitely a freewheel, not a heliomatic.

Looking good so far, the pedals are standard as are the crank puller
threads. So it should be fine if I can find the right freewheel tool at
the LBS's workshop.

Thanks for all the guidance.

Peter

--
www.amey.org.uk

In article , Gwyn Oakley
says...
snip
The other possibility is that it is a Maillard helicomatic which are a
bit special and now I think quite rare.

Helicomatic used a lockring and doesn't have anywhere to insert an
extractor.

In article , Peter Amey
says...
Dear urc,

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).

You probably want this type:

http://biketoolsetc.com/Product_Images/VR-RL40500.jpg

formulated on Sunday :
Peter Amey wrote:
My brother beside our two Peugot 10
speed tourers in 1978. The bikes were both bought in I think 1976 or 77
from Dales Cycles in Glasgow in the days when the shop was in Maryhill
Rd. The obvious lack of cycling clothing, panniers etc didn't spoil our
enjoyment of this 1978 tour of the highlands. The bike had a really
nice handling frame, I think Mavic centrepull brakes, and a 52/40 and
14/28 gear setup.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24192247@N00/356740657/


Either most unusual Peugeots or an inverted image! Þ

--
Simon

In article , Simon D
LID says...
formulated on Sunday :
Peter Amey wrote:
My brother beside our two Peugot 10
speed tourers in 1978. The bikes were both bought in I think 1976 or 77
from Dales Cycles in Glasgow in the days when the shop was in Maryhill
Rd. The obvious lack of cycling clothing, panniers etc didn't spoil our
enjoyment of this 1978 tour of the highlands. The bike had a really
nice handling frame, I think Mavic centrepull brakes, and a 52/40 and
14/28 gear setup.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24192247@N00/356740657/


Either most unusual Peugeots or an inverted image! Þ


It gives a whole new meaning to "driving on the other side".

Peter Amey wrote:

mb wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:45:45 +0000, Peter Amey wrote:

I am doing a mini-restore on, what we would have a called a Peugot
"10-speed racer" back in the 80s (when I would guess it was made). The
freewheel is a Maillard with a set of removal splines that don't match
any tool I own (closest is a Shimano cassette bottom bracket tool).

Does it look like this:
http://www.kichline.com/chuck/bikes/...elicomatic.jpg

No, definitely a freewheel, not a heliomatic.

Strictly speaking helicomatic is a freewheel, it just has a different
mounting thread and needs a lockring to hold it on.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"