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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
ComandanteBanana wrote:
I see, a definite connection. You live in Colombia, you need gated communities, you live in the UK or Europe, you don't, and you live in America, it's kind of in-between. In other words, the more civilized the society is, the less need for gated communities. Never saw any in Oslo or Canary Islands. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be dumb enough to think all of the US, or all of Britain, or all of Columbia, or all of any country on the planet, is equally safe everywhere within its borders. But you go ahead and prove me wrong. You don't listen, so time to stop pretending you might. Bye. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... ComandanteBanana wrote: I see, a definite connection. You live in Colombia, you need gated communities, you live in the UK or Europe, you don't, and you live in America, it's kind of in-between. In other words, the more civilized the society is, the less need for gated communities. Never saw any in Oslo or Canary Islands. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be dumb enough to think all of the US, or all of Britain, or all of Columbia, or all of any country on the planet, is equally safe everywhere within its borders. But you go ahead and prove me wrong. You don't listen, so time to stop pretending you might. Bye. CommandanteBanana is more right than poor old Pete of Dundee, Scotland. It is possible to make some generalizations about Colombia the same as it is to make some generalizations about Norway with a view to contrasting the differences between the two. Frankly, the less we hear from Pete, the better. I have never yet known him to be right about anything. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
"Tom Keats" wrote in message ... In article , ComandanteBanana writes: On Nov 22, 12:23 am, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article , Peter Clinch writes: Though I suspect the most important driver of changing attitudes will be the price if fuel going up, as that puts more peple on bikes. Drivers taking to bikes doesn't necessarily change attitudes. I think a lot of sidewalk riders are erstwhile drivers who used to yell: "Get on the [expletive] sidewalk" at adjacent cyclists. Drivers freshly upon bicycles will bring drivers' attitudes, P'sOV and styles to bear. They will behave as they previously desired & expected cyclists to behave, thinking they're doing the right things. It'll take them a while for them to realize they've been humbled. It'll take a while longer for them to realize they haven't been humbled at all. It'll take even longer for them to realize that while they haven't be humbled, they haven't necessarily been exalted -- they're just people among many, on the streets & roads of the world. Either you are very DEEP, or you don't make sense at all. OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but what makes people ride sidewalks is how deadly roads are --or how they are perceived to be. You just love to scare riders off the roads. That's your goal, your objective. Matthew 7:16 But PERCEPTION IS REALITY, and nobody's doing a thing to change that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sometimes you're almost funny. perception, nor are the authorities cracking down on reckless drivers who terrorize cyclists. So what do you expect, cyclists to be stupid enough to ride among predatory drivers? Your propaganda rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top. But keep trying. You no doubt will, anyway. http://bicyclesafe.com/ http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/safety.htm http://bccc.bc.ca/bikesafety/index.htm Actually, it is very dangerous to ride a bicycle in Florida. The roads are narrow and crowded and high speed with no shoulders. It is the perfect storm for getting yourself killed. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 23, 11:48 am, "marika" wrote:
"Dane Buson" wrote in message ... That's what I've observed for myself. That the thing that really motivates most poeple is when the cost to their pocketbook rises. This is especially true if it's a rapid rise. Inconveinence in the form of traffic jams, poor parking and other things help also. But cost seems to be a big driver (no pun intended) of people's change in behaviour. -- the price in some places is down to 1.70, though It's funny, gas prices are down, and so are SUV sales. So I guess people will have to ride bikes because they can't afford cars. Whatever the reason, the result is good, and I feel good... Yeah, that's why I get so depressed... the price of oil is going down. But then I remember that we are in the middle of a huge economic crisis and that the Big Three are trying to survive after producing so many fat SUVs, and finally I get happy. |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 23, 11:48 am, "marika" wrote:
"Dane Buson" wrote in message ... That's what I've observed for myself. That the thing that really motivates most poeple is when the cost to their pocketbook rises. This is especially true if it's a rapid rise. Inconveinence in the form of traffic jams, poor parking and other things help also. But cost seems to be a big driver (no pun intended) of people's change in behaviour. -- the price in some places is down to 1.70, though It's funny, gas prices are down, and so are SUV sales. So I guess people will have to ride bikes because they can't afford cars. Whatever the reason, the result is good, and I feel good... Yeah, that's why I get so depressed... the price of oil is going down. But then I remember that we are in the middle of a huge economic crisis and that the Big Three are trying to survive after producing so many fat SUVs, and finally I get happy. |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 23, 11:55*am, "marika" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... Tom, I'm saying the WHOLE SYSTEM, down to the lack of space for cyclists and up to the gated communities, hints at a jungle where only the strongest survive. this is scary. Yes, the jungle is scary. You get it, or playing dumb? this is really scary Camouflage is a way of life in the jungle. Read this and see my solutions to this jungle... (Yes, bike facilities are in the program) COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE "Communism forgets that life is individual. can't remember discussing your work ethic with him We are fighting the jungle. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. hard worker, no Why work so hard to feed the lions. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both." -M.L. King A PROGRAM FOR A BETTER WORLD this is promotional material for Space Nuts 2008 It's also a strategy for survival for the human species. |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 23, 3:38*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article , * * * * ComandanteBanana writes: On Nov 22, 12:23*am, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article , * * * * Peter Clinch writes: Though I suspect the most important driver of changing attitudes will be the price if fuel going up, as that puts more peple on bikes.. Drivers taking to bikes doesn't necessarily change attitudes. I think a lot of sidewalk riders are erstwhile drivers who used to yell: "Get on the [expletive] sidewalk" at adjacent cyclists. *Drivers freshly upon bicycles will bring drivers' attitudes, P'sOV and styles to bear. They will behave as they previously desired & expected cyclists to behave, thinking they're doing the right things. It'll take them a while for them to realize they've been humbled. It'll take a while longer for them to realize they haven't been humbled at all. It'll take even longer for them to realize that while they haven't be humbled, they haven't necessarily been exalted -- they're just people among many, on the streets & roads of the world. Either you are very DEEP, or you don't make sense at all. OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but what makes people ride sidewalks is how deadly roads are --or how they are perceived to be. You just love to scare riders off the roads. That's your goal, your objective. Matthew 7:16 But PERCEPTION IS REALITY, and nobody's doing a thing to change that * * * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sometimes you're almost funny. perception, nor are the authorities cracking down on reckless drivers who terrorize cyclists. So what do you expect, cyclists to be stupid enough to ride among predatory drivers? Your propaganda rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top. But keep trying. *You no doubt will, anyway. http://bicyclesafe.com/http://www.do...fety/index.htm Just tell me who are you in the jungle, SHEEP following the alpha-male wolf, or hyena working for the lion? I'm addressing the whole POLITICAL JUNGLE AS AN ECOSYSTEM OF HIERARCHY AND LIES. SUVs are good here, bikes are not. Just the reverse of a good moral stand. If you are a cyclist in the capitalist jungle, you are dead meat. And don't want to feed the vultures. |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 23, 4:20*pm, Peter Clinch wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote: I see, a definite connection. You live in Colombia, you need gated communities, you live in the UK or Europe, you don't, and you live in America, it's kind of in-between. *In other words, the more civilized the society is, the less need for gated communities. Never saw any in Oslo or Canary Islands. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be dumb enough to think all of the US, or all of Britain, or all of Columbia, or all of any country on the planet, is equally safe everywhere within its borders. *But you go ahead and prove me wrong. You don't listen, so time to stop pretending you might. *Bye. Nothing is Black and White, it's a matter of degree, where Scandinavia/ Holland is at the top of civilization (a 9 to make room for improvement), Haiti is down to 0, Colombia is a 3 (believe it or not they have great initiatives for bike facilities that are working) and America is a 5. The UK I think gets a passing grade with a 7. Your BBC documentaries about the jungle have taught me invaluable lessons as well as Darwin and Orwell. Why you insist on defending the status quo that only places our species on the most-endangered species? How can you defend a system that denies my right to ride a bike in safety so I can help Peace and the Environment? I better stop talking before I lower the ratings given above. |
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On Nov 23, 7:30*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Tom Keats" wrote in message ... In article , ComandanteBanana writes: On Nov 22, 12:23 am, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article , Peter Clinch writes: Though I suspect the most important driver of changing attitudes will be the price if fuel going up, as that puts more peple on bikes. Drivers taking to bikes doesn't necessarily change attitudes. I think a lot of sidewalk riders are erstwhile drivers who used to yell: "Get on the [expletive] sidewalk" at adjacent cyclists. Drivers freshly upon bicycles will bring drivers' attitudes, P'sOV and styles to bear. They will behave as they previously desired & expected cyclists to behave, thinking they're doing the right things. It'll take them a while for them to realize they've been humbled. It'll take a while longer for them to realize they haven't been humbled at all. It'll take even longer for them to realize that while they haven't be humbled, they haven't necessarily been exalted -- they're just people among many, on the streets & roads of the world. Either you are very DEEP, or you don't make sense at all. OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but what makes people ride sidewalks is how deadly roads are --or how they are perceived to be. You just love to scare riders off the roads. That's your goal, your objective. Matthew 7:16 But PERCEPTION IS REALITY, and nobody's doing a thing to change that * * *^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sometimes you're almost funny. perception, nor are the authorities cracking down on reckless drivers who terrorize cyclists. So what do you expect, cyclists to be stupid enough to ride among predatory drivers? Your propaganda rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top. But keep trying. *You no doubt will, anyway. http://bicyclesafe.com/ http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/safety.htm http://bccc.bc.ca/bikesafety/index.htm Actually, it is very dangerous to ride a bicycle in Florida. The roads are narrow and crowded and high speed with no shoulders. It is the perfect storm for getting yourself killed. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks! And this THE model for Latin America, which in turn, becomes the place for more gated communities. Or they steal the money from there and invest it here, in relative safety. |
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A March on Washington... on Bicycle?
(letter from Europe)
Originally Posted by cyclezealot Generally I agree with you. On the continent , you don't need gated communities... The UK, not so sure...?... There must be a reason all the UK people are retiring tn the continent... Besides, climate and cost of living , that is... We are presently in the US.. Mich and Calif... Going to your favorite sports bar and hearing of armed invasions.. Disrupts your appetite... Gun sales up 2 and 3 times their normal rate. Can't say but some business' are not booming in the US... Other disadvantages.. Mass transit.. Found out in Mich you can't get to Detroit or Canada , by taking the train or bus and return on the same day.. Don't know if I could hack that. We are used to taking mass transit, when ever, where ever we want... Even from one small burg to another small burg.../.. But, should you be able to live inside gated communities in the lap of luxury , and don't turn on television.. It's a nice life..../ Another advantage of driving in the EU over Driving in the US.. There is much less need to take a load of CD's to keep you entertained on the autoroutes... On EU radio, you have everything from classic to US alternative pop... Regulated radio offers so much more variety, over the crap we hear on US radio... *** Thanks for that great feedback! Yeah, we shouldn't underplay the role of a good Media in moving up the civilization scale. So is Public Transportation, Public Safety (no need for Gated Communities) and Bike Facilities. I quote from my website... 'TV and radio should be independent of Big Business and the State. (This is due to two reasons: culturally, because the ratings make bad programs become "good"... for business; and, politically, because whoever has power over the media... will be in power; however, people should be able to watch anything on video and cable; the BBC offers us and example of an independent media.)' |
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