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John B. wrote:
I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling teeshirts door to door? I think it's funny that you assume t-shirts were their primary source of income. There's a whole economy out there that you don't see if you're not in it. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a decent retirement from a career like that? The more relevant question these days is, do you get a decent retirement by doing anything other than exploiting the labor of others? I'm investing in skills and friends. I don't realistically expect other old age plans to work out for me, or most working people. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:03:24 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote: They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? My wife used to like going to arts and crafts shows. I didn't like it much, so I compromised by promising to go to one per year. Any others she could attend with friends. Anyway, at one of them a long time ago I talked to a guy selling jewelry he made. As I recall, he said he worked a few months in the winter making his goods, then attended the craft fairs for a few more months. The rest of the year was his vacation time. Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a decent retirement from a career like that? - Frank Krygowski Probably not, but if you’re lucky you can “work” until you die and still enjoy it. What would he need to retire from? |
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On 11/12/2019 03:53, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. All the contact points are special. Over the years I have settled on Brooks B17 variants, Ergon Pro for flat bars, decent cork for the drops, and Shimano M324 pedals. Which means, if I use another bike, or build *another* one, the contact points always feel the same. Fwiw, I *hated* San Marco Rolls, go figure; https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-saddle-187625 |
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:14:42 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:03:24 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote: They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? My wife used to like going to arts and crafts shows. I didn't like it much, so I compromised by promising to go to one per year. Any others she could attend with friends. Anyway, at one of them a long time ago I talked to a guy selling jewelry he made. As I recall, he said he worked a few months in the winter making his goods, then attended the craft fairs for a few more months. The rest of the year was his vacation time. Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a decent retirement from a career like that? - Frank Krygowski Probably not, but if youre lucky you can work until you die and still enjoy it. What would he need to retire from? Back when I was in the Air Force I got into the gun building business. Initially I converted a short Mauser action to single shot and used it to build a super accurate varmint rifle. When I took it to be blued the shop owner offered me a job and I used to work some nights and weekends for him. One thing led to another and I ended making some varmint rifles but doing a lot more work stocking competition shotguns. The problem was that the Air Force expected an 8 hour day so all the gun work had to be done nights and weekends. I enjoyed both my "day job" and my after hours job but eventually those 16 hour plus days caught up with me and (I'd almost say luckily) my Uncle sent me off to foreign lands (again) which pretty much put an end to my gun making. Those part time jobs can be tiring :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:59:02 -0800 (PST), Chalo
wrote: John B. wrote: I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling teeshirts door to door? I think it's funny that you assume t-shirts were their primary source of income. There's a whole economy out there that you don't see if you're not in it. I think that you clipped part of my post or didn't read a previous one where I said that I talked to them and that they told me that silk screening tee shirts and selling them was "their business", indicating, I assumed that they didn't have a rich uncle to support them. And, no, they weren't selling wacky tobacco on the side. There were people doing that but not these two. As for the "gray economy", I had a neighbor in Riverside, CA, that "hadn't worked" in 5 years or so. And, it was rumored that he and his wife had divorced so that she could apply for aid to unwed mothers. Of course, he did work but either for cash or services. He told me that he had installed an automatic lawn sprinkler system for a dentist and in return got his teeth fixed. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:13:57 +0700, John B. wrote:
I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so Such a business can be made to make just enogh profit to pay something to the tax man and show that you are survivng on the profit. Now if they had been driving a large expensive vehicle, it would be more difficult. |
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:03:18 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote: Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? That question applies to many people in jobs as well. FWIW, for the last 50 yeara IME, there has always been "markets" for T- shirts. The messages have just varied with the times. |
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On 12/11/2019 9:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:57:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it. I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. There is a really large "swap meet" in Bangkok on the first weekend of each month and "saddles" new and used are a very popular item there. See: https://bicyclethailand.com/bangkoks...icycle-market/ Interestingly it is held in the parking lot of the Telephone Organization of Thailand's Main office building. Apparently some of their employees are Bike Nuts. Anyone Can bring their "stuff" pay a small fee - I think something like $10 or $15) and you get a section to display your "stuff". They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? -- cheers, John B. Humans defy simple analysis. There are many people who, for some large or small part of their lives, prefer relatively unstructured activity. Living in a truck and screening shirts is not overly remunerative but there's no time clock either. Nothing wrong with any or either. For example, check out the economist Leavitt's analysis of Chicago street gangs, members of which earned well below minimum wage with significant risks and yet preferred 'street life' to a better paying regular job with shorter hours. Or poets for that matter. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 12/12/2019 12:30 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 11/12/2019 03:53, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. All the contact points are special. Over the years I have settled on Brooks B17 variants, Ergon Pro for flat bars, decent cork for the drops, and Shimano M324 pedals. Which means, if I use another bike, or build *another* one, the contact points always feel the same. Fwiw, I *hated* San Marco Rolls, go figure; https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-saddle-187625 Me too. The San Marco products are generally wider across the center than Selle Italia or Cinelli products. Nothing wrong with either, they're just different. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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