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Old December 12th 19, 05:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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John B. wrote:

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that
it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee

shirts,
driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the

car
to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a
regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling
teeshirts door to door?


I think it's funny that you assume t-shirts were their primary source of income.

There's a whole economy out there that you don't see if you're not in it.
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Old December 12th 19, 06:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski wrote:

Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years.
Do you get a decent retirement from a career like that?


The more relevant question these days is, do you get a decent retirement by doing anything other than exploiting the labor of others?

I'm investing in skills and friends. I don't realistically expect other old age plans to work out for me, or most working people.
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Old December 12th 19, 06:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:03:24 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:

They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived
there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space
and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a
Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to
talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and
selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they
listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite
gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts.


Probably :-)

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that
it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee
shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the
car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a
regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee
shirts door to door?


My wife used to like going to arts and crafts shows. I didn't like it much,
so I compromised by promising to go to one per year. Any others she could
attend with friends.

Anyway, at one of them a long time ago I talked to a guy selling jewelry he
made. As I recall, he said he worked a few months in the winter making his
goods, then attended the craft fairs for a few more months. The rest of the
year was his vacation time.

Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a
decent retirement from a career like that?

- Frank Krygowski


Probably not, but if you’re lucky you can “work” until you die and still
enjoy it. What would he need to retire from?

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Old December 12th 19, 07:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 11/12/2019 03:53, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote:

Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old
and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails),
and four similar to the Brooks B17.

When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had
four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail
versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others,
despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells.

The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being
junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel
seat cover for her.


Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said
she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel
seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse.

It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might
have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding.


All the contact points are special. Over the years I have settled on
Brooks B17 variants, Ergon Pro for flat bars, decent cork for the drops,
and Shimano M324 pedals. Which means, if I use another bike, or build
*another* one, the contact points always feel the same.

Fwiw, I *hated* San Marco Rolls, go figure;

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Old December 12th 19, 07:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:14:42 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:03:24 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:

They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived
there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space
and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a
Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to
talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and
selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they
listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite
gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts.

Probably :-)

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that
it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee
shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the
car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a
regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee
shirts door to door?


My wife used to like going to arts and crafts shows. I didn't like it much,
so I compromised by promising to go to one per year. Any others she could
attend with friends.

Anyway, at one of them a long time ago I talked to a guy selling jewelry he
made. As I recall, he said he worked a few months in the winter making his
goods, then attended the craft fairs for a few more months. The rest of the
year was his vacation time.

Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a
decent retirement from a career like that?

- Frank Krygowski


Probably not, but if youre lucky you can work until you die and still
enjoy it. What would he need to retire from?


Back when I was in the Air Force I got into the gun building business.
Initially I converted a short Mauser action to single shot and used it
to build a super accurate varmint rifle. When I took it to be blued
the shop owner offered me a job and I used to work some nights and
weekends for him. One thing led to another and I ended making some
varmint rifles but doing a lot more work stocking competition
shotguns.

The problem was that the Air Force expected an 8 hour day so all the
gun work had to be done nights and weekends. I enjoyed both my "day
job" and my after hours job but eventually those 16 hour plus days
caught up with me and (I'd almost say luckily) my Uncle sent me off to
foreign lands (again) which pretty much put an end to my gun making.

Those part time jobs can be tiring :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old December 12th 19, 07:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:59:02 -0800 (PST), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that
it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee

shirts,
driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the

car
to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a
regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling
teeshirts door to door?


I think it's funny that you assume t-shirts were their primary source of income.

There's a whole economy out there that you don't see if you're not in it.


I think that you clipped part of my post or didn't read a previous one
where I said that I talked to them and that they told me that silk
screening tee shirts and selling them was "their business",
indicating, I assumed that they didn't have a rich uncle to support
them. And, no, they weren't selling wacky tobacco on the side. There
were people doing that but not these two.

As for the "gray economy", I had a neighbor in Riverside, CA, that
"hadn't worked" in 5 years or so. And, it was rumored that he and his
wife had divorced so that she could apply for aid to unwed mothers.

Of course, he did work but either for cash or services. He told me
that he had installed an automatic lawn sprinkler system for a dentist
and in return got his teeth fixed.
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old December 12th 19, 03:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:13:57 +0700, John B. wrote:

I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and
sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was
their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap
meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their
tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from
doing so


Such a business can be made to make just enogh profit to pay something to
the tax man and show that you are survivng on the profit. Now if they had
been driving a large expensive vehicle, it would be more difficult.
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Old December 12th 19, 03:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:03:18 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts.


Probably :-)

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it
is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts,
driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to
save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular
job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door
to door?


That question applies to many people in jobs as well.
FWIW, for the last 50 yeara IME, there has always been "markets" for T-
shirts. The messages have just varied with the times.

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Old December 12th 19, 03:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/11/2019 9:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:57:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote:

Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old
and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails),
and four similar to the Brooks B17.

When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had
four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail
versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others,
despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells.

The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being
junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel
seat cover for her.

Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said
she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel
seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse.

It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might
have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding.

- Frank Krygowski

Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a
number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit".

Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came
with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it.

I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap
Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest.

There is a really large "swap meet" in Bangkok on the first weekend of
each month and "saddles" new and used are a very popular item there.
See: https://bicyclethailand.com/bangkoks...icycle-market/

Interestingly it is held in the parking lot of the Telephone
Organization of Thailand's Main office building. Apparently some of
their employees are Bike Nuts. Anyone Can bring their "stuff" pay a
small fee - I think something like $10 or $15) and you get a section
to display your "stuff".

They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived
there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space
and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a
Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to
talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and
selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they
listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite
gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts.


Probably :-)

I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that
it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee
shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the
car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a
regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee
shirts door to door?
--
cheers,

John B.


Humans defy simple analysis. There are many people who, for
some large or small part of their lives, prefer relatively
unstructured activity. Living in a truck and screening
shirts is not overly remunerative but there's no time clock
either. Nothing wrong with any or either.

For example, check out the economist Leavitt's analysis of
Chicago street gangs, members of which earned well below
minimum wage with significant risks and yet preferred
'street life' to a better paying regular job with shorter
hours. Or poets for that matter.

--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old December 12th 19, 03:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/12/2019 12:30 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 11/12/2019 03:53, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18
wrote:

Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian
company from old
and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride
and quad rails),
and four similar to the Brooks B17.

When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?)
and we have/had
four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had
three twin rail
versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather
of the others,
despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that
in the Bells.

The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic
fantastics one being
junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as
platforms for a gel
seat cover for her.


Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest
in bicycling, but said
she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We
tried giving her a gel
seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse.

It's probably an indication that we're all different down
there. But it might
have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't
that interested in riding.


All the contact points are special. Over the years I have
settled on Brooks B17 variants, Ergon Pro for flat bars,
decent cork for the drops, and Shimano M324 pedals. Which
means, if I use another bike, or build *another* one, the
contact points always feel the same.

Fwiw, I *hated* San Marco Rolls, go figure;

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-saddle-187625


Me too. The San Marco products are generally wider across
the center than Selle Italia or Cinelli products. Nothing
wrong with either, they're just different.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


 




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