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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires.
http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? Lewis. ***** |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:02:21 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? Noob or troll? :-) Kinky Cowboy* *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
On Nov 3, 12:08*pm, Kinky Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:02:21 -0800 (PST), " wrote: I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? Noob or troll? :-) Kinky Cowboy* *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary And you must be a brain surgeon. Lewis. ***** |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
On Nov 3, 7:02*am, " wrote:
I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? I believe these are also known as "Open Tubulars." There's a similar discussion going on at the Serotta board. Open Tubulars are described as: "Its basically a clincher tire with They are clinchers made using methods used for tubulars. They take the casing (same stuff as for tubs) and add a bead. The tread is then glued to the inflated casing. I have been using Challenge open tubulars for a while, and they are pretty nice." Torelli has a decent description of what they a http://www.torelli.com/tech/tires.shtml Others call these tires nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to buy these type of clincher tires at a higher price. I guess it comes down to what "advantage" do you get? True tubular tires are supposedly rounder and lighter than comparable clinchers, especially when you take into account the rims too. Do these "Open Tubulars" have a "rounder" profile (for better handling)? Is it lighter? If the answer is no to either, then its a waste of money. However, if its a yes, then maybe there are some sort of advantage. Also, I wonder if these tires are as easy to repair as clinchers? If not, why not just get true tubular, and all of its "benefits?" |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
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I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? I believe these are also known as "Open Tubulars." There's a similar discussion going on at the Serotta board. Open Tubulars are described as: "Its basically a clincher tire with They are clinchers made using methods used for tubulars. They take the casing (same stuff as for tubs) and add a bead. The tread is then glued to the inflated casing. I have been using Challenge open tubulars for a while, and they are pretty nice." Torelli has a decent description of what they a http://www.torelli.com/tech/tires.shtml That's not clear and the description of how they are made even unclearer. You might look in the FAQ for how round tubular tires a http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html Others call these tires nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to buy these type of clincher tires at a higher price. That's what bicycling is all about these days... marketing. I guess it comes down to what "advantage" do you get? True tubular tires are supposedly rounder and lighter than comparable clinchers, especially when you take into account the rims too. Do these "Open Tubulars" have a "rounder" profile (for better handling)? Is it lighter? If the answer is no to either, then its a waste of money. However, if its a yes, then maybe there are some sort of advantage. I'm not sure what you mean by "rounder". Unless it's a belted radial casing, its cross section is round from inflation pressure. Also, I wonder if these tires are as easy to repair as clinchers? If not, why not just get true tubular, and all of its "benefits?" I didn't see a cross section on that web site. Can you direct me to one? Jobst Brandt |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
wrote in message ... someone wrote: I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? I believe these are also known as "Open Tubulars." There's a similar discussion going on at the Serotta board. Open Tubulars are described as: "Its basically a clincher tire with They are clinchers made using methods used for tubulars. They take the casing (same stuff as for tubs) and add a bead. The tread is then glued to the inflated casing. I have been using Challenge open tubulars for a while, and they are pretty nice." Torelli has a decent description of what they a http://www.torelli.com/tech/tires.shtml That's not clear and the description of how they are made even unclearer. You might look in the FAQ for how round tubular tires a http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html Others call these tires nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to buy these type of clincher tires at a higher price. That's what bicycling is all about these days... marketing. I guess it comes down to what "advantage" do you get? True tubular tires are supposedly rounder and lighter than comparable clinchers, especially when you take into account the rims too. Do these "Open Tubulars" have a "rounder" profile (for better handling)? Is it lighter? If the answer is no to either, then its a waste of money. However, if its a yes, then maybe there are some sort of advantage. I'm not sure what you mean by "rounder". Unless it's a belted radial casing, its cross section is round from inflation pressure. Also, I wonder if these tires are as easy to repair as clinchers? If not, why not just get true tubular, and all of its "benefits?" I didn't see a cross section on that web site. Can you direct me to one? Jobst Brandt Here's a link to Tufo site showing a cross section of their tubular clincher (which looks like a tubular with beads added): http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tiretypes.php "Open tubular" doesn't mean the Tufo style tire to everyone, here's a link to DedaT http://www.dedatre.com/rsc_en.php Unfortunately, it doesn't show a cross section, but I have some of these tires - they are clincher tires, just supposedly made with the same high standards and thread count as tubulars. Here is a link showing a cross section of the DedaTRE - it's the 5th item down the page: http://tinyurl.com/5fulk8 Kerry |
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On Nov 3, 11:32*am, wrote:
I didn't see a cross section on that web site. *Can you direct me to one? Here's the only picture I've found of the Challenge "Open tubular" ti http://tinyurl.com/562n9m Here's my favorite description of these tires (marketing, ya gotta luv it!) "The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is a handmade open tubular that rides… like a tubular. Like a Clement tubular. Clement tubulars. Those two words used to leave racers speechless. The Criterium Seta was considered by many the acme of quality, the tires you saved for race days, the tires that were stored covered and airless for hopes of extending their useful life, the tires you lovingly washed after each race, air dried, and then packed away again. Clement was bought by Pirelli and they moved everything to Thailand. Rubber comes from Thailand, so they, and many tire makers, figured they'd save money by making tires near the source. And, like many conglomerates, Pirelli realized that the bike world is not a huge business. They folded the Clement operation. Like a phoenix, Challenge tires rose from the ashes of those Thai facilities. Between the Italian distributor and the Thai manufacturers, they resurrected the tires. Like the good old days, the tires are still handmade. Also, like the good old days, the legendary tread is still glued by hand to the casing after the casing has been tensioned. Many believe that a tread made separate from casing rides better and with less rolling resistance because it doesn't get deformed by the inflation of the tire. The Criterium Nerone Clincher utilizes the same tread as both the legendary and contemporary Criterium Seta. Longitudinal ribs down the center, with herringbone on either side. In keeping up with the times, Challenge offers the tires both as tubulars and open tubulars. "Open" meaning the casing isn't stitched to itself like a sew-up, i.e. an open tubular is a clincher. Challenge has also eschewed the cotton casing for polyester. The casing is still corespun, resulting in a thin, light, flexible case that is super-supple. The thread count is 300 threads per inch (TPI), which in cycling circles is considered a fine casing. Also keeping up with the times, the sidewalls are colored black (Nerone) instead of the traditional tan (or "natural"). To give the tire better flat protection, a thin 300TPI corespun polyester belt, the same material that makes the casing, is glued above the casing and below the tread. It is also glued on when the casing is under pressure. They call this their Puncture Protection System (PPS), giving a little more protection under the tread while leaving the sidewalls thin and supple. The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is an open tubular design. The tire measures 700 x 23mm wide. It has Challenge's Puncture Protection System (PPS). The casing is corespun polyester. The beads are made from Kevlar. The tire casing has 300 threads per inch (TPI). The tire has a Black tread and Black casing. The weight is 210g." Come on, all-black, 300 tpi, 210g, and a Puncture Protection System (PPS), what's not to like? |
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Looking at 700C Tufo tires
Kerry Montgomery wrote:
I found this website recently and was looking at their 'Tufo' tires. http://www.everybicycletire.com/Default.asp It seems that there is a 'tubular/clincher' model and wondered if you have an opinion on this type of tire? I believe these are also known as "Open Tubulars." There's a similar discussion going on at the Serotta board. Open Tubulars are described as: "Its basically a clincher tire with They are clinchers made using methods used for tubulars. They take the casing (same stuff as for tubs) and add a bead. The tread is then glued to the inflated casing. I have been using Challenge open tubulars for a while, and they are pretty nice." Torelli has a decent description of what they a http://www.torelli.com/tech/tires.shtml That's not clear and the description of how they are made even unclearer. You might look in the FAQ for how round tubular tires a http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html Others call these tires nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to buy these type of clincher tires at a higher price. That's what bicycling is all about these days... marketing. I guess it comes down to what "advantage" do you get? True tubular tires are supposedly rounder and lighter than comparable clinchers, especially when you take into account the rims too. Do these "Open Tubulars" have a "rounder" profile (for better handling)? Is it lighter? If the answer is no to either, then its a waste of money. However, if its a yes, then maybe there are some sort of advantage. I'm not sure what you mean by "rounder". Unless it's a belted radial casing, its cross section is round from inflation pressure. Also, I wonder if these tires are as easy to repair as clinchers? If not, why not just get true tubular, and all of its "benefits?" I didn't see a cross section on that web site. Can you direct me to one? Here's a link to Tufo site showing a cross section of their tubular clincher (which looks like a tubular with beads added): http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tiretypes.php I suspect this is artists rendition allowance, there being no visible seam in this tire and no way of making it as an endless toroidal tube. I doubt that they have such a beast, but then no one has shown me one either. "Open tubular" doesn't mean the Tufo style tire to everyone, here's a link to DedaT http://www.dedatre.com/rsc_en.php That doesn't do much more than not show how it is done. Unfortunately, it doesn't show a cross section, but I have some of these tires - they are clincher tires, just supposedly made with the same high standards and thread count as tubulars. Here is a link showing a cross section of the DedaTRE - it's the 5th item down the page: http://tinyurl.com/5fulk8 No cigar! Maybe you can describe how the casing is closed after inserting the tube and how the seam looks. Do you have one of the rim strips shown in: http://www.dedatre.com/flap_en.php Jobst Brandt |
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I didn't see a cross section on that web site. Â*Can you direct me to one? Here's the only picture I've found of the Challenge "Open tubular" ti http://tinyurl.com/562n9m Here's my favorite description of these tires (marketing, ya gotta luv it!) "The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is a handmade open tubular that rides… like a tubular. Like a Clement tubular. Clement tubulars. Those two words used to leave racers speechless. The Criterium Seta was considered by many the acme of quality, the tires you saved for race days, the tires that were stored covered and airless for hopes of extending their useful life, the tires you lovingly washed after each race, air dried, and then packed away again. Clement was bought by Pirelli and they moved everything to Thailand. Rubber comes from Thailand, so they, and many tire makers, figured they'd save money by making tires near the source. And, like many conglomerates, Pirelli realized that the bike world is not a huge business. They folded the Clement operation. Like a phoenix, Challenge tires rose from the ashes of those Thai facilities. Between the Italian distributor and the Thai manufacturers, they resurrected the tires. Like the good old days, the tires are still handmade. Also, like the good old days, the legendary tread is still glued by hand to the casing after the casing has been tensioned. Many believe that a tread made separate from casing rides better and with less rolling resistance because it doesn't get deformed by the inflation of the tire. The Criterium Nerone Clincher utilizes the same tread as both the legendary and contemporary Criterium Seta. Longitudinal ribs down the center, with herringbone on either side. In keeping up with the times, Challenge offers the tires both as tubulars and open tubulars. "Open" meaning the casing isn't stitched to itself like a sew-up, i.e. an open tubular is a clincher. Challenge has also eschewed the cotton casing for polyester. The casing is still corespun, resulting in a thin, light, flexible case that is super-supple. The thread count is 300 threads per inch (TPI), which in cycling circles is considered a fine casing. Also keeping up with the times, the sidewalls are colored black (Nerone) instead of the traditional tan (or "natural"). To give the tire better flat protection, a thin 300TPI corespun polyester belt, the same material that makes the casing, is glued above the casing and below the tread. It is also glued on when the casing is under pressure. They call this their Puncture Protection System (PPS), giving a little more protection under the tread while leaving the sidewalls thin and supple. The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is an open tubular design. The tire measures 700 x 23mm wide. It has Challenge's Puncture Protection System (PPS). The casing is corespun polyester. The beads are made from Kevlar. The tire casing has 300 threads per inch (TPI). The tire has a Black tread and Black casing. The weight is 210g." Come on, all-black, 300 TPI, 210g, and a Puncture Protection System (PPS), what's not to like? What is this "core spun" jargon, an how do they come upon 300 TPI? That requires a thread of 0.00333" diameter and makes sidewalls 0.070" thick. That's the thickness of a couple of sheets of copier paper. Jobst Brandt |
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On Nov 3, 1:28*pm, wrote:
someone wrote: I didn't see a cross section on that web site. *Can you direct me to one? Here's the only picture I've found of the Challenge "Open tubular" ti *http://tinyurl.com/562n9m Here's my favorite description of these tires (marketing, ya gotta luv it!) "The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is a handmade open tubular that rides… like a tubular. Like a Clement tubular. Clement tubulars. *Those two words used to leave racers speechless. The Criterium Seta was considered by many the acme of quality, the tires you saved for race days, the tires that were stored covered and airless for hopes of extending their useful life, the tires you lovingly washed after each race, air dried, and then packed away again. Clement was bought by Pirelli and they moved everything to Thailand. Rubber comes from Thailand, so they, and many tire makers, figured they'd save money by making tires near the source. *And, like many conglomerates, Pirelli realized that the bike world is not a huge business. *They folded the Clement operation. Like a phoenix, Challenge tires rose from the ashes of those Thai facilities. *Between the Italian distributor and the Thai manufacturers, they resurrected the tires. *Like the good old days, the tires are still handmade. *Also, like the good old days, the legendary tread is still glued by hand to the casing after the casing has been tensioned. *Many believe that a tread made separate from casing rides better and with less rolling resistance because it doesn't get deformed by the inflation of the tire. The Criterium Nerone Clincher utilizes the same tread as both the legendary and contemporary Criterium Seta. *Longitudinal ribs down the center, with herringbone on either side. *In keeping up with the times, Challenge offers the tires both as tubulars and open tubulars. *"Open" meaning the casing isn't stitched to itself like a sew-up, i.e. *an open tubular is a clincher. *Challenge has also eschewed the cotton casing for polyester. *The casing is still corespun, resulting in a thin, light, flexible case that is super-supple. *The thread count is 300 threads per inch (TPI), which in cycling circles is considered a fine casing. *Also keeping up with the times, the sidewalls are colored black (Nerone) instead of the traditional tan (or "natural"). To give the tire better flat protection, a thin 300TPI corespun polyester belt, the same material that makes the casing, is glued above the casing and below the tread. *It is also glued on when the casing is under pressure. *They call this their Puncture Protection System (PPS), giving a little more protection under the tread while leaving the sidewalls thin and supple. The Challenge Criterium Nerone Clincher is an open tubular design. The tire measures 700 x 23mm wide. *It has Challenge's Puncture Protection System (PPS). *The casing is corespun polyester. *The beads are made from Kevlar. *The tire casing has 300 threads per inch (TPI). *The tire has a Black tread and Black casing. *The weight is 210g." Come on, all-black, 300 TPI, 210g, and a Puncture Protection System (PPS), what's not to like? What is this "core spun" jargon, an how do they come upon 300 TPI? That requires a thread of 0.00333" diameter and makes sidewalls 0.070" thick. *That's the thickness of a couple of sheets of copier paper. Well, if you read the text closely, you'll see that "corespun" is one word! Further, it is defined as (my favorite), "resulting in a thin, light, flexible case that is super-supple." Obviously, you failed to take any marketing classes in college. Therefore, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!" |
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