Better Braking?

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:04:27 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/9/2020 12:36 PM, wrote:

snip

You and John B act like a 12 year old.

LOL, it's no big deal. In fact it says a lot when someone engages in
that sort of behavior.

Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. People have opinions, preferences which can change over time, make mistakes, say dumb things etc. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

Whatever. Some people get obsessed about certain things, and get upset
when anyone explains that their personal choices might not be the best
choices for everyone.

Ah.. you mean that when someone mentions your assertions that cheap
Chinese flashlights are "just the thing" for a bicycle light and when
you allege that drilling a hole in a bicycle frame will damage it.
But unfortunately, for the discussion, you did not espouse these
subjects as "personal choices" you stated them as truths.

Do you require the difference between a " personal choice" and the
"truth" explained to you?

(note the quotation marks around the word "truth". I use them as I'm
sure that you find it a strange and rarely used term.)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:27:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

Careful now. I preferred to him as "pitiful" which, in light of some
of his posts, seem a rather mild epitaph, and he seemed to get a bit
excited about that.

But a "kill file" simply ensures that you won't directly hear it when
someone tells the truth about you, but the rest of the world will :-)

If, for example, someone calls you a liar and you don't defend
yourself isn't is nearly de facto proof that you did lie.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:26:19 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/9/2020 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski


You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

What I brought up here was Scharf's bragging about kill files. My post
was accurate.

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years. Ditto StVZO compliant lights. He now brags about
using them. It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

Lou

On 2/10/2020 6:25 AM, wrote:

snip

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

The bottom line is that even when people behave badly and are
untruthful, the reality is that they still are being educated. It's
better not to respond in anger, but to gently enlighten, using factual
referenced data.

Education does sometimes work, even when those being educated deny it.
Look, Frank went out and purchased a high-end battery powered light at
considerable expense, even though he has spent many hours insisting that
dynamo lights alone were adequate. And I purchased some dynamo wheels
and a high-end dynamo light once good LED dynamo lights were available.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:27:52 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski

This from Franki-boy, who brags constantly that I'm in his "kill file" (even though he always seems to know what I said) is hilarious hypocrisy, the very peak of his childish behaviour.

Ande Jute
Krygowski isn't scum because I say he is scum. Krygowski is scum because he behaves like scum.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:26:19 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years.

I tried the best dynamo lights available at the time, from Busch und Muller, and they were lethal crap. I said so on this forum, and was abused of it by by all the little BUMMboys who thought that when they could afford a B&M they joined the "Euro Elite". Among others who abused me for it was Andreas Oehler whose employer has a commercial relationship with BUMM.

Ditto StVZO compliant lights.

There are several reasons why StVZO compliant lamps favour motorists at the expense of cyclists, and why at that time they were lethal crap. Some of those reasons, for instance forbidding StVZO compliant lamps to include blinkies, still favour motorists over cyclists.

Frank Krygowski, who aspires to be a "spokesman for bicycles" (typical: a human person would aspire to be a spokesman for bicyclists, people), because of his decade-long personal animosity to Scharfie, refuses to acknowledge that bicycle lamps have improved over that period. What that says about Krygowski's claim to be an "engineer" I leave for another day.

But do note that Krygowski, who claims to be "for cyclists", refuses to give Scharfie credit for, and indeed abuses him all the more for, plans and instructions Scharf gave away free of charge for making inexpensive bicycle lamps that actually lit up the road. I built sets from Scharfie's instructions of MR11 and MR16 lamp and they were superior to any bicycle lamp you could buy at any price at the time. What's more, with two lamps and a switch, you could arrange dimming lamps so oncoming traffic was not blinded.

I sincerely doubt that Krygowski, Rideablot or Slow Johnny, who now cannot restrain themselves from tearing at Scharf's flesh for having been right all along, ever built one of Scharf's plans and compared it to the B&M lamps of the time. I did, and Scharf's lamps left the BUMM lamps for dead in their dust; the BUMM lamps were lethal glimmerers. In fact, the current Cyo-based BUMM lamps are superior only in a single regard to Scharf's lamps from more than a decade ago, in that the current BUMM's are a bit more motorist-friendly.

He now brags about
using them.

BUMM lamps became better with the improvement in LEDs. The first-series Cyo had about the same ability to light up the road as a 1950s 6V VW Beetle.

It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Nope. You were wrong all along. You're the one who owes apologies all round, Franki-boy.

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

I must say I would not put my valuable skin at risk to a thin-wall bicycle tube drilled by clowns like Krygowski, Rideablot and Slow Johnny. The manufacturers have drilling protocols for a reason.

--
- Frank Krygowski

You're a worthless jerk, Franki-boy. Your so-called "advocacy for bicycles" is ruled by your personality clashes, which are legion because you're such a nasty, dishonest person. Why should cyclists believe a word you say?

Andre Jute
Krygowski, Ridablot and Slow Johnny are the friends of motorists, not cyclists.

On 2/10/2020 9:52 AM, sms wrote:
On 2/10/2020 6:25 AM, wrote:

snip

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you
ever apologize?

The bottom line is that even when people behave badly and are
untruthful, the reality is that they still are being educated. It's
better not to respond in anger, but to gently enlighten, using factual
referenced data.

Education does sometimes work, even when those being educated deny it.
Look, Frank went out and purchased a high-end battery powered light at
considerable expense, even though he has spent many hours insisting that
dynamo lights alone were adequate.

I bought the light specifically to review it, as I said at the time. I
posted a full review here and elsewhere. Yes, it's bright. But it has
other disadvantages for my use, as expected.

I thought I'd be able to easily sell it or trade it. Sadly, that's not
been the case. I've used it less than five hours. It's still for sale.
Email me.

And I purchased some dynamo wheels
and a high-end dynamo light once good LED dynamo lights were available.

Apparently, you've found that contrary to your prior posts, they do work
for you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/10/2020 10:18 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:27:52 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski

This from Franki-boy, who brags constantly that I'm in his "kill file" (even though he always seems to know what I said) ...

A typical Jute lie. I have never said Jute was in my kill file. I don't
even have a kill file.

I have said I read very little of Jute's postings; and the little of
them I do read is typically done by speed reading or skimming.

Jute posts tend to be tediously long, rambling, egotistical, obnoxious,
filled with insults that might be penned by an eight-year-old, and
generally boring. They're simply not worth any significant time.

See http://www.cyclebanter.com/showthread.php?t=204228

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/10/2020 9:25 AM, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:26:19 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/9/2020 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski


You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

What I brought up here was Scharf's bragging about kill files. My post
was accurate.

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years. Ditto StVZO compliant lights. He now brags about
using them. It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

For what? Putting people in kill files? I don't have a kill file.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 7:09:54 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2020 9:25 AM, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:26:19 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/9/2020 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski


You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

What I brought up here was Scharf's bragging about kill files. My post
was accurate.

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years. Ditto StVZO compliant lights. He now brags about
using them. It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

For what? Putting people in kill files? I don't have a kill file.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Really? You think you never offended people?

Lou