300k+ a year

"WTF" wrote in message
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On 12/31/09 6:26 PM, in article
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"Kurgan.
presented by Gringioni." wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:10 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" wrote:
"Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." wrote in
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On Dec 31, 1:10 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" wrote:

Bull****, you don't know what the **** you are talking about.



Dumbass -

Do you remember that I was a part time road manager for one of those
women's teams for a few years?

I wish you were correct, but unfortunately you are not.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


Dumbass-

You handed out water bottles and drove a vehicle for a Cat 4 Womens
team.....

So he wasn't a manager?

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GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
Oh! It went to Medical bills!

"She's broken 33 bones and numerous teeth in her short career, including
four compound fractures of her pelvis, a broken hip and a smashed
collarbone."

If she was Canadian it wouldn't have cost a penny (or dime or whatever
the Canadian currency equivalent is).

Scraping by? What the hell is scraping by? Most domestic women work full or
part time jobs and a number of them make good money cause most are college
or university educated with degrees in all sorts of fields. Add to that,
many come from families who have money, like Marin, Palo Alto, and even
Santa Barbara. You don't see any girls bike racing who come from the slums,
cause they never would of been able to afford a bike in the first place.

dumbass,

if you're saying that the racing is a personal development exercise
for upper and upper middle class women rather than a realistic source
of income, i agree.

if someone made a lot of wealth in a previous career or has the
financial backing of someone elsei fully support their choice to
pursue some personal activity.

The ones scraping by are the ones at the bottom who have
to pay out of pocket to travel and race, providing their own bikes, cars,
hotels, meals, almost everything out of pocket, and perhaps some of them
might be working at Starbucks. Now for those, you could say they are
scraping by, but then again there are many men racing in this same position
as you say, scraping by.

i agree there as well. in fact there is more men in the scraping by
position because some of them will be holding out for one of the few
decent paying spots in the sport.

but don't be a kool-aid drinker, there is no reason someone should get
paid to race a bicycle. i think it is even immoral to give developing
riders the impression that this is potentially a way to make a living.
the six-digit protour riders represent a tiny tiny fraction of all
bike racers.

On Jan 1, 12:49*pm, Donald Munro wrote:
GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
Oh! It went to Medical bills!

"She's broken 33 bones and numerous teeth in her short career, including
four compound fractures of her pelvis, a broken hip and a smashed
collarbone."

If she was Canadian it wouldn't have cost a penny (or dime or whatever
the Canadian currency equivalent is).

No, I'm pretty sure even Canadians pay for the health care they get.
They just pay it to a US-based doctor.

On Jan 1, 1:06*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:


but don't be a kool-aid drinker, there is no reason someone should get
paid to race a bicycle.

Why not? The promoters of the bigger events are bringing in money
from sponsors to host their events, and someone has to contest those
events or else the promoters don't have a product to sell. Why
shouldn't the riders get paid?

On Jan 1, 3:10*pm, Scott wrote:
On Jan 1, 1:06*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:



but don't be a kool-aid drinker, there is no reason someone should get
paid to race a bicycle.

Why not? *The promoters of the bigger events are bringing in money
from sponsors to host their events, and someone has to contest those
events or else the promoters don't have a product to sell. *Why
shouldn't the riders get paid?

dumbass,

if someone can get paid - that is great, but that is not the same as
insisting people should get paid for bike riding.

On 1/1/10 11:22 AM, in article ,
"GoneBeforeMyTime" wrote:


"WTF" wrote in message
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On 12/31/09 6:26 PM, in article
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"Kurgan.
presented by Gringioni." wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:10 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" wrote:
"Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." wrote in

m.
..
On Dec 31, 1:10 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" wrote:

Bull****, you don't know what the **** you are talking about.



Dumbass -

Do you remember that I was a part time road manager for one of those
women's teams for a few years?

I wish you were correct, but unfortunately you are not.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


Dumbass-

You handed out water bottles and drove a vehicle for a Cat 4 Womens
team.....

So he wasn't a manager?



" Do you remember that I was a part time road manager for one of those
women's teams for a few years?"


As I wrote above.......
What is you definition of a "part time road manager"?

"Amit Ghosh" wrote in message
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Scraping by? What the hell is scraping by? Most domestic women work full
or
part time jobs and a number of them make good money cause most are
college
or university educated with degrees in all sorts of fields. Add to that,
many come from families who have money, like Marin, Palo Alto, and even
Santa Barbara. You don't see any girls bike racing who come from the
slums,
cause they never would of been able to afford a bike in the first place.

dumbass,

if you're saying that the racing is a personal development exercise
for upper and upper middle class women rather than a realistic source
of income, i agree.

if someone made a lot of wealth in a previous career or has the
financial backing of someone elsei fully support their choice to
pursue some personal activity.

The ones scraping by are the ones at the bottom who have
to pay out of pocket to travel and race, providing their own bikes, cars,
hotels, meals, almost everything out of pocket, and perhaps some of them
might be working at Starbucks. Now for those, you could say they are
scraping by, but then again there are many men racing in this same
position
as you say, scraping by.

i agree there as well. in fact there is more men in the scraping by
position because some of them will be holding out for one of the few
decent paying spots in the sport.

but don't be a kool-aid drinker, there is no reason someone should get
paid to race a bicycle. i think it is even immoral to give developing
riders the impression that this is potentially a way to make a living.
the six-digit protour riders represent a tiny tiny fraction of all
bike racers.

Hung over from last night Punch, but...

We can save drinking from the Olympic Punch Bowl for another thread and
there are a lot of women who are drinking from the Olympic Punch bowl, I
hear it all the time. But yeah, from these figures I saw the other day, very
few men are making millions at the very top, the creme. So right, most men
don't make jack either, so it's skewed to hear so often women's cycling
doesn't pay anything cause it takes the heat off the men making them look
like the bread winners all the time, and they get the lion's share of the
press, TV, endorsements, etc, but it's a very small handful of stars in the
sport getting the really big money, and lots of men have tried every dirty
trick in the book to get at those massive sums of cash available to the top
players. From the article I read, average pros are making around 37k a year,
and that's less then most middle class stiffs make, or around the bottom of
middle class earnings, not a very good paying job.



In that sense, I think high payouts is unhealthy for the sport and a bad
image or incentive to pursue bike racing to make a living. Many of them
might just as well play the lottery. If they do it because its in their
blood, they love it, its in the genes and they are very good at it like Chad
Gerlach then I say more power to you but do it for those reasons and not the
dollar signs. Oddly enough Chad saw the sport for what it was, probably
because he had plenty of time to reflect on it when he was spending all
those long cold nights sleeping in the streets instead of chasing that big
money.



Many of the record breakers in Baseball who get paid millions are steroid
users, so big money always seems to ruin sports. Instead, I would propose
that top professional riders get paid much less, and capped eventually
across the board. Since the definition of a professional is someone who get
paid, they have to be paid. In the earlier times, being a professional meant
someone who was paid to race, and today the definition of a professional pro
women road racer is some that races on a pro UCI team and earns a salary. So
rather then making their salary a dollar a year since I don't think that
will work, I would propose that women pros get paid a decent salary to race,
but not outrageous amounts of cash, which invites cheaters.



Make the salaries even across the board for all top women, and those in the
middle, less money based on their pro status, ranking or level, and those at
the bottom much less, maybe nothing much except some help like they get now
as amateurs with talent. That might cultivate interest more from those who
love to race as a lifestyle instead of those chasing the dollar signs or the
elusion of market value. Still perhaps that would invite cheaters, but maybe
to a less extent since massive amounts of cash would not be on the line.
However women don't have to worry about that anyway, cause it natural to
assume they will always be the warm up act to the pro men and they have
never been offered millions to race. There is very little incentive for
women to cheat now the way things are, but if they are going to be paid
professionals, at least pay them a reasonable wage. I won't offer this idea
for the men, you guys can figure that one out, but yes, the idea that
cycling is a way to make a living is like chasing the rainbow to get the pot
of gold, which is a ever changing elusive goalpost.



If you don't think they should be paid at all, then they must race as
amatuers, which means they don't get paid, like the Roller Derby girls.
Remember the Roller Derby girls used to be paid professionals. In that case,
they could spend both the prize money and the money that goes for salaries
on TV instead. Women could really use TV to promote their side of the sport
now, and could then build their own market value based on that, or seek fame
and fortune elsewhere.



Maybe I'm not think clearly though, its the punch bowl and the rum!



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Cadel Evans 1.7 milioni
Filippo Pozzato 1 milione

GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
Add to that, many come from families who have money, like Marin, Palo
Alto, and even Santa Barbara....
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps I'm blanking on this, but I can't recall a single top-level woman
racer having come from Santa Barbara in the last 20+ years. And don't say
Lynn Brontzman/Gaggioli because she wasn't really from here. Several really
good women riders have made SB their temporary or permanent home, including
Kim Anderson right now, but they all came from some place else. Is there
somebody specifically you're thinking of actually _from_ Santa Barbara?