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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
KJohn B. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. Roger Merriman |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote:
KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 8:27:49 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 Phil Wood 1974. http://www.philwood.com/about/txthist.php RIP Phil. There is no need for disc brakes for dry weather road riding, even on "dusty" roads and occasional single track or urban trail. It's a solution in search of a problem. My rim brakes work fine in wet weather, but I prefer discs because of rim wear and better wet braking. I switch between disc and direct mount caliper brakes on the weekends and find that braking is great on both. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-04-27 08:22, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 There were disk brakes and also drum brakes back then which is always better than rim brakes (which I didn't really want). However, nothing for road bike frames I was told. Many of the heavy "behemoth style" Dutch bikes had drum brakes back then. They lasted a long time and most of all would not show deficiency in heavy rain as rim brakes do. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 4/27/2018 2:45 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-04-27 08:22, AMuzi wrote: On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 There were disk brakes and also drum brakes back then which is always better than rim brakes (which I didn't really want). However, nothing for road bike frames I was told. Many of the heavy "behemoth style" Dutch bikes had drum brakes back then. They lasted a long time and most of all would not show deficiency in heavy rain as rim brakes do. Oh, Joerg that's a silly nearly meaningless statement. A Sturmey AB (I own and ride one myself) is dismally inadequate without a snappy front caliper at anything beyond opa speeds on those opafeits. They're cute and very consistent, as you noted, but peak braking power on a 90mm drum sucks no matter how you slice it. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On 2018-04-27 13:16, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2018 2:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-27 08:22, AMuzi wrote: On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 There were disk brakes and also drum brakes back then which is always better than rim brakes (which I didn't really want). However, nothing for road bike frames I was told. Many of the heavy "behemoth style" Dutch bikes had drum brakes back then. They lasted a long time and most of all would not show deficiency in heavy rain as rim brakes do. Oh, Joerg that's a silly nearly meaningless statement. A Sturmey AB (I own and ride one myself) is dismally inadequate without a snappy front caliper at anything beyond opa speeds on those opafeits. They're cute and very consistent, as you noted, but peak braking power on a 90mm drum sucks no matter how you slice it. Nothing silly at all here. I rode those bikes on many occasions. The brakes were powerful and for sure better than rim brakes. They had to because we often had a pretty passenger riding along on the baggage rack. Oh, those memories ... :-) On some bikes the front drum brake was operated by a push rod, not a Bowden wire like others. That was almost indestructible. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On 2018-04-27 10:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 8:27:49 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: [...] I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 Phil Wood 1974. http://www.philwood.com/about/txthist.php RIP Phil. There is no need for disc brakes for dry weather road riding, even on "dusty" roads and occasional single track or urban trail. It's a solution in search of a problem. My rim brakes work fine in wet weather, ... Work fine? ... but I prefer discs because of rim wear and better wet braking. Yet now they are worse than disc brakes? To me brakes are among the most impoprtant parts on a vehicle. I want top performance from them, not a "somewhat ok" performance. Thing is, one doesn't always know if the weather turns foul during a long ride and then I don't want to have to pussyfoot it back home because of sub-par brakes. ... I switch between disc and direct mount caliper brakes on the weekends and find that braking is great on both. Thanks for the hint about the Koolstop pads. They just came. Ebay tracking is a nice "mail is here" alert. It came early today. They fit like a glove. I wonder why they now flare the trailing edge inwards towards the rim. It would make the pad want to skew. Maybe I'll grind that off. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Do EVO pads fit in KoolStop holders?
On 4/27/2018 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-04-27 13:16, AMuzi wrote: On 4/27/2018 2:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-27 08:22, AMuzi wrote: On 4/27/2018 9:00 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-26 15:40, Roger Merriman wrote: KJohn B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:04:26 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:10:53 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-24 08:01, AMuzi wrote: On 4/24/2018 9:47 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-04-23 17:11, AMuzi wrote: On 4/23/2018 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote: The worn Koolstop pads are 52mm long. Would these fit Koolstop? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ByQAA...KD/s-l1600.jpg I am a little puzzled by the clip that gets shipped along because Koolstop only has the set screw. Those replace this Kool Stop product: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_typeholder.html inserts: http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type.html http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html If your setup does not include the little wire pins then maybe, maybe not. What is it that you have now? They look like this but with the holes in the metal body: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...13353ae498d1cb You loosen the set screw and the pad slides out the back. However, I don't want Koolstop stuff anymore. It's expensive, the pads wear quickly and to top it off the mounting hardware rusts fast. YGWYPF? I don't think so. The EVO inserts you referenced earlier are the wrong part. You probably want these: http://www.koolstop.com/english/dura_type.html Product menu in that link is easy to use. Thanks. $10+ is a bit much for those but I saw them on EBay for $8. Good grief! If $2 is that important to you, your business must be failing. Spend less time posting here, spend more time finding clients. Then support your LBS. I don't want any more clients, want less clients, want to retire and ride. Anyhow, after Jay's response I just ordered the black version for dry conditions. $7.25, that's an ok price for rim brake pads. Not as low as Clarks but with these I don't have to install and adjust the whole thing, just loosen a set screw and swap the rubber parts. I think the question is whether you want a cheap pad or an effective pad. I can buy brake pads locally, actually the entire brake shoe - pad, holder and nut to hold it on - for approximately 50 cents each, about a dollar a wheel. They don't last long and they don't stop very well, but they are cheap. Or I can buy a Koolstop look alike for about 10 dollars a wheel that do stop in wet or dry conditions and last a long time. As somebody once said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. (But after you make your choice don't whine about it) I can get KoolStop salmon pads at Western Bikeworks for $6.63 -- less that Joerg's FleaBay purchase. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...inserts?sg=501 I'm a revered member of the Leaders' Club! I'd go down to the store (which is near my work), get them off the wall -- say "hey" to the guy and gals. I can really drive down the price if I get some of their free micro-roast coffee. In fact, if I bring the wife and kid and get three cups of that fine coffee, I could drive the price down to zero. They also have a beer tap, but I think they charge for that. I've gotten more than $6.63 of free advice from them -- and the head mechanic is the son of an olde tyme bike-head, so he knows all the old lore, and he builds steel frames. Priceless conversations. If you don't support your stores, they will go away -- particularly stores in a small town like Shingle Springs. Joerg should pay the extra buck and buy local. Nobody is getting rich off his buck. -- Jay Beattie. The thing is.... how often does one change brake pads? Admittedly I don't ride as much as I used to but even in my heyday I don't remember that brake pads were an important factor in my bike maintenance budget. On a road, no but off road can be quite quick, my CX bike ate koolstop Salmons in 100 ish miles, the Gravel bike with cable disks trashed its front pads within 250 miles, it has been very wet and thus gritty. I can remember wearing pads out on Canti MTB in single ride if it was very wet/gritty area. That is one of the reasons why I'd never buy any new bike with rim brakes. Some roads in our area are either unpaved, gravel or connect to a gravel road section and thus have a lot of dust on them. However, my road bike was built in 1982 and there were no disc brakes available, at least not in Europe. Shimano's was around 1976 IIRC: https://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/248919 There were disk brakes and also drum brakes back then which is always better than rim brakes (which I didn't really want). However, nothing for road bike frames I was told. Many of the heavy "behemoth style" Dutch bikes had drum brakes back then. They lasted a long time and most of all would not show deficiency in heavy rain as rim brakes do. Oh, Joerg that's a silly nearly meaningless statement. A Sturmey AB (I own and ride one myself) is dismally inadequate without a snappy front caliper at anything beyond opa speeds on those opafeits. They're cute and very consistent, as you noted, but peak braking power on a 90mm drum sucks no matter how you slice it. Nothing silly at all here. I rode those bikes on many occasions. The brakes were powerful and for sure better than rim brakes. They had to because we often had a pretty passenger riding along on the baggage rack. Oh, those memories ... :-) On some bikes the front drum brake was operated by a push rod, not a Bowden wire like others. That was almost indestructible. It's the same hub. Optional cable fittings or brake rod connector. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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