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Phil Wood BB installation trouble; other BBs for Sugino AT crankset?
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I just bought a new Phil Wood BB to go with a set of Sugino AT triple cranks I found on eBay. I have had this set-up on another bike for many years and like the narrow Q factor (146mm). The new Phil retaining rings (I bought both the stainless and alloy sets to try) will not fit over the shoulders of the cartridge bearings. The inside of the rings measures about 0.001 inch smaller than the outside of the bearing shoulder. Since the bike I'm installing on has aluminum threads, I am very concerned that going forward with the installation will just ruin the threads. On my older BB, the rings have always slipped easily over the BB cartridge. I'm posting here because this group has such depth of experience, yet also because I have found the Phil Wood company to take between 1 and 2 weeks to respond to e-mail or phone inquiries (you never get a person when you call, it's a message machine.) The old Phil BB I have is a 125mm with a +5mm right side offset, and I have it set up such that the left side ring is flush with the frame and the right side ring protrudes about 2.5mm. The new one is the same size. The new frame I'm building up is the same model frame. The bike is a RANS Zenetik crank forward, so the extremely long chainstays make chainline not critical, but I need the right side offset or the front derailleur will hit the fat seat tube. - Is this a quality control problem or has something changed? - What other sealed bearing cartridge-style square taper bottom brackets are available that will fit these cranks and put them out far enough that the front derailleur can shift down to the small ring without hitting the seat tube? Any help will be greatly appreciated. |
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wrote: Hello I just bought a new Phil Wood BB to go with a set of Sugino AT triple cranks I found on eBay. I have had this set-up on another bike for many years and like the narrow Q factor (146mm). The new Phil retaining rings (I bought both the stainless and alloy sets to try) will not fit over the shoulders of the cartridge bearings. The inside of the rings measures about 0.001 inch smaller than the outside of the bearing shoulder. Since the bike I'm installing on has aluminum threads, I am very concerned that going forward with the installation will just ruin the threads. On my older BB, the rings have always slipped easily over the BB cartridge. I'm posting here because this group has such depth of experience, yet also because I have found the Phil Wood company to take between 1 and 2 weeks to respond to e-mail or phone inquiries (you never get a person when you call, it's a message machine.) The old Phil BB I have is a 125mm with a +5mm right side offset, and I have it set up such that the left side ring is flush with the frame and the right side ring protrudes about 2.5mm. The new one is the same size. The new frame I'm building up is the same model frame. The bike is a RANS Zenetik crank forward, so the extremely long chainstays make chainline not critical, but I need the right side offset or the front derailleur will hit the fat seat tube. - Is this a quality control problem or has something changed? - What other sealed bearing cartridge-style square taper bottom brackets are available that will fit these cranks and put them out far enough that the front derailleur can shift down to the small ring without hitting the seat tube? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Grease the inside of the cup, tap the right one on(becareful to NOT tap the spindle end as it WILL move in the bearings), it IS a tight fit. Install into frame, screw left side cup and ideally, use 2 tools to tighten, grease into left side cup as well. Tolerances are small, tight fit of cups, they do not just slide onto the bearings of the BB. |
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Phil Wood BB installation trouble; other BBs for Sugino AT crankset?
I just had an e-mail response from Brent, in record time. I'm not
certain why previous inquiries have taken so long. I contacted Andrew at Yellow Jersey and between his advice to lightly sand the inside of the cups and Qui se parle's advice in this thread, I managed to install the BB. I wasn't able to get my Phil BB tool into the right hand cup, even with tapping on it, but the advice to pre-install it on the cartridge worked - I threaded it in and used the tool on the left cup. I will get a second tool to do as suggested next time I fuss with it. Thanks for the answers - much appreciated. Marc Rick wrote: I never have a problem contacting Phil Wood. Brent has always been quite responsive. And I always contact by e-mail or phone - not by bugging him on his morning commute (we commute along the same road in large part ...). - rick |
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