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  #21  
Old October 28th 18, 07:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.


What, ten thousand million pounds a year?


UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is
the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of
it was spent on hummus or petrol.


How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.


And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given
to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh
money.



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  #22  
Old October 29th 18, 02:20 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?


UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is
the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of
it was spent on hummus or petrol.


How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?


Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all
fresh money.


  #23  
Old October 29th 18, 12:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is
the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1
of it was spent on hummus or petrol.


How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?


Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added
at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not
all fresh money.


  #24  
Old October 29th 18, 03:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils
did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave
much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?


Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added
at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not
all fresh money.



I thought the claim was 10 billion ?
  #25  
Old October 29th 18, 03:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote:
On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole
repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if
councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave
much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion
figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?

Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having
added at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not
all fresh money.



I thought the claim was 10 billion ?


Good point.

In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really
£10,000,000,000,000.

Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have
moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is
lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000.

  #26  
Old October 29th 18, 05:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:27:46 AM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is
the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1
of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?


Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added
at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...


I was just citing figures from Autoholics Anonymous and the Apologists for Bad Driving.
  #27  
Old October 29th 18, 06:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 2:18:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote:
On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole
repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if
councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave
much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion
figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?

Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?

I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having
added at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not
all fresh money.


I thought the claim was 10 billion ?


Good point.

In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really
£10,000,000,000,000.


And is the "£30 billion" you claim motorists pay in excess tax really £30,000,000,000,000?


Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have
moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is
lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000.


And many people think K=1000 rather than 1024



  #28  
Old October 29th 18, 08:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 29/10/2018 17:34, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 2:18:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote:
On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote:

My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole
repair,
equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million
repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if
councils did
no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave
much
for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion
figure
is bogus.

My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some
perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they
claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right
that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other
things.

What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?

Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?

I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having
added at least three posts on the topic).

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.

So it's over to you...

As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists.

And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits
given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not
all fresh money.


I thought the claim was 10 billion ?


Good point.

In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really
£10,000,000,000,000.


And is the "£30 billion" you claim motorists pay in excess tax really £30,000,000,000,000?


What are you talking about.

No need to answer; I am well aware that the question is too difficult
for you.
Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have
moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is
lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000.


And many people think K=1000 rather than 1024


You never studied Greek at school, did you?
  #29  
Old October 30th 18, 09:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 29/10/18 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:


What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?


Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added
at least three posts on the topic).


Posts to tell you that your telepathy act is a total failure don't count.

For some reason your figure has dropped from £10^10 to £10^9. That's
equivalent to 10p. Do you often fuss over such small amounts?

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?


If you think my maths is wrong then point it out, if you wish.
Otherwise, stop making assumptions that it means something that it does not.

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.


To remind you, my reply reply to JS was "You're probably right that a
lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things."

Do you know what the word "probably" means?
  #30  
Old October 30th 18, 05:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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On 30/10/2018 08:55, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote:


What, ten thousand million pounds a year?

UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10
is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a
£1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol.

How interesting.

Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway
maintenance?

Yes, or no?

Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned?


I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on
motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having
added at least three posts on the topic).


Posts to tell you that your telepathy act is a total failure don't count.

For some reason your figure has dropped from £10^10 to £10^9. That's
equivalent to 10p. Do you often fuss over such small amounts?


Oh yes, I missed out a zero in that one line. Terrible. What an error.
It hardly detracts from the point, which had already been stated.

Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his
exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was
designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to
disprove his claim?


If you think my maths is wrong then point it out, if you wish.
Otherwise, stop making assumptions that it means something that it does
not.


What has GDP got to do with whether "ten billion pounds"
(£10,000,000,000) per annum is spent on the maintenance of the motorways
of England and Wales (or perhaps the UK)?

Eother the expenditure is "ten billion ponds" per year or it isn't.

And here's a hint: it isn't.

If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will
happily accept that you were not in agreement with him.


To remind you, my reply reply to JS was "You're probably right that a
lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things."


Had he said that? Or even implied it?

Do you know what the word "probably" means?


Do you know what the phrase "completely irrelevant" means?

 




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