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  #1061  
Old October 14th 06, 10:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
bill
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Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:07:54 -0700, bill wrote:

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:12:15 -0700, george conklin
wrote:


"Lorenzo L. Love" wrote in message
newsp.tg8lacqipheghf@ibm22761843607...

What is it about "gradually increasing fertility rates" that you do
not
understand?

What YOU do not understand is that the future growth of
populations is
measured by the Total Fertility Rates, or TFRs. These are
calculated by the
census for nations and they say that 63 nations are no longer
reproducing
themselves. I suggest you check out the population pyramid projections
which the census makes available, both for the USA and most other
nations of
the world. Stop simply guessing.


No guessing needed. The U.S. has a population growth rate of +0.91%.
Australia +0.85%, France +0.35%, United Kingdom +0.28%, Italy +0.04%,
Japan +0.02%. This info is from the wild and crazy guys at the C.I.A.
By the way, the C.I.A. says there are 272 nations which much mean
there are 209 nations are reproducing themselves. And then some as
the world population growth rate is +1.14% with a birth rate of 20.05
births/1,000 population and a death rate of 8.67 deaths/1,000
population. Whole lot of reproducing going on. The counties that have
negative growth rates are for the most part either tiny or not
something anyone would inspire to. Like Russia which has a population
growth rate of -0.37% but also an infant mortality two and half times
that of the U.S. and a life expectancy ten years less. Is Russia your
ideal for the future of the world?
Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
"...democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot
survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put
more and more people into the world, the value of life not only
declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more
people there are, the less one individual matters."
Isaac Asimov

Where did they come up with 272 nations? The last I heard it was 201
or something like that. When I was in grade school I think it was only
about 104 or something close. Is somebody minting new countries?
Bill Baka


Since you missed it, I'll repeat "the C.I.A. says there are 272
nations". That was as of 5 October, 2006. There may be more by now.


I didn't miss it, that was why I posted to ask. "The C.I.A. says" may
just be all I want to know.
Bill Baka

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"We are living beyond our means. As a people we have developed a
life-style that is draining the earth of its priceless and irreplaceable
resources without regard for the future of our children and people all
around the world."
Margaret Mead

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  #1062  
Old October 14th 06, 02:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:22:09 GMT, bill wrote:

Dave Head wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:02:59 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

In article ,
Dave Head wrote:

Its easy to understand... at the time, the Dems were still into
collecting up all the guns, and in spite of how that is not a popular
issue with you and your friends,
Which is a crock of ****. You're just telling a lie here.


Not by a long shot. They were never openly pursuing that, because to say it
even they knew was poison. So, they held that view, and worked toward that
goal, but were damn transparent to the rest of us.

For instance, what is gun registration good for? Not tracking guns. Its good
for knowing where the guns are, and then declaring them to be illegal and
expecting people to turn them in. Happened in California with the assault
weapon ban out there (the people, BTW, mostly didn't turn them in - there's
hundreds of thousands of now-illegal "assault" weapons in California society.)


Heh, tell me about it. Mine stays put. I might need it some day.


Yeppir, that's the spirit.

What else is gun registration good for? If you get 'em all registered, then
you institute a tax on gun ownership, and just keep raising it and raising it
until only the wealthly and elite have the wherewithall to keep guns. That's
what the liberal elite is aiming at.

Nts not a crock, its the truth. The liberal Dems were just smart enough not to
say it. Their supporters said it at times, and the occasional politician said
it - it was one of the California Dems, in fact, that said, "If it were up to
me, if I had the power, I'd say, "Turn 'em all in, Mr. and Mrs America" ".

The liberal Dems _were_ most assuredly working toward an eventual confiscation
of _all_ the American citizens guns. That's a fact.

in a whole lot of the rest of the country, people cherish their 2nd
amemdment rights, and in fact all their rights. While California,
New York, and a lof of the coastal states would like to forget the
2nd amendment, the rest of the country, those vast seas of red
states, believe that without our guns, the liberals would do just as
they please, and negate even more of the bill of right.
LOL. What crack you been smoking, dude? It's the Republicans that are
tossing your rights into the trash, not the Democrats.


True and not true. Its both. My particular pet amendment is the 2nd. You
pick one and vote on that. I don't care. The SOB's have to be stopped when
they F with the constitution and specifically its bill of rights.


Bush would like to mess with the constitution, not on guns, but other
things, so why not bitch about 'junk' amendments? Ever since 9/11 I have
found excessive police presence. When I turned 55 I went to the local
Social Security office just to see if I was eligible for anything, since
I have paid a ton of income tax and SS tax, and I was met at the door by
a retired cop with a metal detector wand. I said "What the F..k is
this?" and he said he was hired after 9/11 to prevent a possible
terrorist occurrence in the office. A Social Security office?
Get real, there are 3 employees and no money and there were 4 gray
haired people all over 70 just sitting there. Bush is getting ridiculous
with the over policing of the country. As people on r.b.misc know, I was
detained just for riding my bicycle on a public road too close to an Air
Force base and looking suspicious. I am a totally white third generation
American and no way do I look the least bit arabic, yet I was held until
a county sheriff could come and load me and my bike for a quick ride
back home. Bush may not be anti-gun but he sure as hell wants to take
our freedoms away. I am more worried about being hassled by the Homeland
Security people than being killed by a terrorist these days.
Bill Baka


And if more people went forth armed, there wouldn't be such a need for the
hired armed people. Its weird - so many people are against personal carrying
of handguns, but hire some schmuck for minimum wage, give him clothes that are
all 1 color and shiny black shoes, and then he's good to go for standing in
school hallways with a gun. He's probably not half as qualified to deal with
an armed intruder as the teachers would be if they had guns on them.

The teachers should all have the _right_ to carry, with a minimum of
regulations - must have personal carry permit, must have the required training
for having a personal carry permit, and, while at school, absolutely must
_wear_ the gun - no sticking it in a briefcase, no putting it in a purse,
nowhere except somewhere on the body - and NO revealing its presence to
_anyone_. NO ONE should know who is carrying - not the principal, not the
other teachers, and sure as hell not the kids. The only time anyone finds out
is when they have a sudden sucking chest wound.

I imagine the 3 70-yr-old ladies might have requested the guard 'cuz they felt
fairly "naked" and alone. They really only needed some friends - Mr. Smith and
Mr. Wesson, or maybe Sam Colt.

Dave Head


The Republicans
are outstandingly good liars, though, I'll give them credit for that.


Not a patch on gun-grabbing liberal democrats, tho.

As the old saying goes, all political parties die at last from
swallowing their own lies. It's currently the Republicans' turn.


Republican party is not going to die. For that to happen, there would have to
be a credible replacement around somewhere. There isn't. Going to vote for
libertarians? Didn't think so. Nothing else appears to be standing around as
a viable replacement.

  #1063  
Old October 14th 06, 02:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Dave Head
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:21:11 -0700, (Tom Keats) wrote:

In article ,
Dave Head writes:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:20:44 GMT, bill wrote:

Jean H. wrote:
Most of the GMOs that I have read about are modified to withstand a
particular plant disease or to survive long periods without water, or
something like that. There is a need or some foods might not be
available at all.

hum, indeed a lot of them are made resistent to pesticides (not to the
insects!)... the first one in my mind is the Round Up Ready corn by
Monsanto..

Bush is the biggest enemy of research right now, since that fool
thinks stem cell research is immoral. Good thing that after November
he will be a real "Lame duck". Worst president in my lifetime, except
maybe Truman.
Bill Baka

agreed! ... isnt' he the biggest enemy of almost everything?

He seems to be even this countries worst enemy. I don't know how he
could have gotten re-elected, much less by such a big margin, after 4
years of screwing up, unless the Republicans are either
A. Totally stupid.
B. The party is so corrupt that they fixed the election.

I am just not believing that Kerry lost so badly since everyone I know
voted for him. How did the coward win over the guy who actually served?

Bill Baka


Its easy to understand... at the time, the Dems were still into collecting up
all the guns, and in spite of how that is not a popular issue with you and your
friends, in a whole lot of the rest of the country, people cherish their 2nd
amemdment rights, and in fact all their rights. While California, New York,
and a lof of the coastal states would like to forget the 2nd amendment, the
rest of the country, those vast seas of red states, believe that without our

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
guns, the liberals would do just as they please, and negate even more of the

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
bill of right.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, what good is it to live in a country where you can't
shoot the people (or government) with whom you disagree?


Disagreement is one thing, abridging constitutional rights is something else
entirely. I'd only shoot the latter group.

DPH

Now, I understand that the Dems have given up on the idea of collecting up all
the guns. Maybe they'll actually get somewhere in the polls this time. But, in
any close election, the NRA will kill you if you are not pro-gun

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^

Soylent Green[tm] is People!

  #1064  
Old October 14th 06, 02:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Dave Head
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:07:54 GMT, bill wrote:

Dave Head wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:20:44 GMT, bill wrote:

Jean H. wrote:
Most of the GMOs that I have read about are modified to withstand a
particular plant disease or to survive long periods without water, or
something like that. There is a need or some foods might not be
available at all.
hum, indeed a lot of them are made resistent to pesticides (not to the
insects!)... the first one in my mind is the Round Up Ready corn by
Monsanto..

Bush is the biggest enemy of research right now, since that fool
thinks stem cell research is immoral. Good thing that after November
he will be a real "Lame duck". Worst president in my lifetime, except
maybe Truman.
Bill Baka
agreed! ... isnt' he the biggest enemy of almost everything?
He seems to be even this countries worst enemy. I don't know how he
could have gotten re-elected, much less by such a big margin, after 4
years of screwing up, unless the Republicans are either
A. Totally stupid.
B. The party is so corrupt that they fixed the election.

I am just not believing that Kerry lost so badly since everyone I know
voted for him. How did the coward win over the guy who actually served?

Bill Baka


Its easy to understand... at the time, the Dems were still into collecting up
all the guns, and in spite of how that is not a popular issue with you and your
friends, in a whole lot of the rest of the country, people cherish their 2nd
amemdment rights, and in fact all their rights. While California, New York,
and a lof of the coastal states would like to forget the 2nd amendment, the
rest of the country, those vast seas of red states, believe that without our
guns, the liberals would do just as they please, and negate even more of the
bill of right.

Now, I understand that the Dems have given up on the idea of collecting up all
the guns. Maybe they'll actually get somewhere in the polls this time. But, in
any close election, the NRA will kill you if you are not pro-gun (notice that
doesn't mean simply not anti-gun, but actually _for_ 2nd amendment rights). It
doesn't matter to the NRA whether you're Dem or Rep, you get an endorsement
from them if you support gun right. Then I vote for that person. And several
million other NRA members do the same. And that's how they win the election.

Dave Head


I agree with you on the gun thing since I have a purchased legally and
now illegal semi-automatic and if they think I am just going to walk in
and give them my gun they are nuts. Anybody who demands MY gun is likely
to be looking down the barrel.


Yeah, they want my deer rifle, they're going to get it 220 grains at a time,
very fast. They want my shotgun, they're going to get it 1 1/4 oz at a time,
also very fast.

I'm with you and the NRA on the gun
thing, but just like the stupid abortion arguments, I can't base an
election on only one issue.


I can. I figure there's enough other people like you that balance things in
order to make up for my tunnel vision. My tunnel vision, combined with other's
like-targeted tunnel vision helps protect my gun right. Others, if they're of
a mind to, can tunnel-vision on some other issue. If they can muster 4 million
members in any one organization, like the NRA did, maybe they'll get what they
want, too.

I'm pro-choice and pro-gun but anti Bush and
most of the current administration. If we had some 'better' Republicans
to choose from I would vote for them. I am voting for Arnold for a
second term as California's governor, both because I like him and
because his Democrat opponent looks kind of sleazy. On the rest it is a
split ticket, basically voting for the younger blood and the least
stupid as I have mentioned before. Voting a straight ticket to me is the
dumbest thing a voter can do, by not checking out each candidate. Like
the Democrats, for instance, sometimes you get a Kennedy, and sometimes
you get a Gore and a Kerry. Sometimes the Republicans get a Nixon.
It's all a game of chance, but I do think there should be an age limit
of about 75 for anybody. We have Senators and Congressmen who can barely
remember where they work, yet they keep getting elected.
And there should definitely be a minimum I.Q. standard for anyone who
wants to be president, about 120 to cull the chaff.
Bill Baka


I wouldn't be for an age limit, and an IQ limit I figure could be abused,
faked, or otherwise subverted. I once went to a Mensa meeting and won the
scrabble tournament, but it was time limited, and I don't think that it was
really a great way to determine much. I've never actually taken the Mensa
test, probably never will, but IQ ain't everything, I think.

Dave Head
  #1065  
Old October 14th 06, 03:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
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bill wrote in
:

....


Bush would like to mess with the constitution, not on guns, but other
things, so why not bitch about 'junk' amendments? Ever since 9/11 I
have found excessive police presence. When I turned 55 I went to the
local Social Security office just to see if I was eligible for
anything, since I have paid a ton of income tax and SS tax, and I was
met at the door by a retired cop with a metal detector wand. I said
"What the F..k is this?" and he said he was hired after 9/11 to
prevent a possible terrorist occurrence in the office. A Social
Security office? Get real, there are 3 employees and no money and
there were 4 gray haired people all over 70 just sitting there. Bush
is getting ridiculous with the over policing of the country. As people
on r.b.misc know, I was detained just for riding my bicycle on a
public road too close to an Air Force base and looking suspicious. I
am a totally white third generation American and no way do I look the
least bit arabic, yet I was held until a county sheriff could come and
load me and my bike for a quick ride back home. Bush may not be
anti-gun but he sure as hell wants to take our freedoms away. I am
more worried about being hassled by the Homeland Security people than
being killed by a terrorist these days. Bill Baka


This is the evidence of another of the myriad of Duh-Byah's idiocies.

Just dish/print out money without asking where or when it will come from
because 'we all know terrorists run from money'. But those 'security
contractors' have to pay for those $5000-a-plate Duh-Byah/Bozo-the-Clown
Meals somehow.

It's working in Iraq, too. What is it today? Over $half-a-trillion
served and half-a-million killed?

D'OH!!
  #1066  
Old October 14th 06, 04:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Tim McNamara
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In article ,
Dave Head wrote:

Yeah, what good is it to live in a country where you can't shoot the
people (or government) with whom you disagree?


Disagreement is one thing, abridging constitutional rights is
something else entirely. I'd only shoot the latter group.


You're going to shoot the Republicans?
  #1067  
Old October 15th 06, 08:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
bill
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Dave Head wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:07:54 GMT, bill wrote:

old stuff snipped
I agree with you on the gun thing since I have a purchased legally and
now illegal semi-automatic and if they think I am just going to walk in
and give them my gun they are nuts. Anybody who demands MY gun is likely
to be looking down the barrel.


Yeah, they want my deer rifle, they're going to get it 220 grains at a time,
very fast. They want my shotgun, they're going to get it 1 1/4 oz at a time,
also very fast.


I think that is what the Constitution meant, to defend yourself against
a bad government, but I don't think they could have foreseen a
government with such a modern technical advantage to be abused.
It just gets more interesting with time.

I'm with you and the NRA on the gun
thing, but just like the stupid abortion arguments, I can't base an
election on only one issue.


I can. I figure there's enough other people like you that balance things in
order to make up for my tunnel vision. My tunnel vision, combined with other's
like-targeted tunnel vision helps protect my gun right. Others, if they're of
a mind to, can tunnel-vision on some other issue. If they can muster 4 million
members in any one organization, like the NRA did, maybe they'll get what they
want, too.


I can't agree or disagree here, since the election of a politician on
one issue may get you one thing you want and ten things you don't. Right
now it seems to be that the parties are going to Hell, both of them, at
the top.

I'm pro-choice and pro-gun but anti Bush and
most of the current administration. If we had some 'better' Republicans
to choose from I would vote for them. I am voting for Arnold for a
second term as California's governor, both because I like him and
because his Democrat opponent looks kind of sleazy. On the rest it is a
split ticket, basically voting for the younger blood and the least
stupid as I have mentioned before. Voting a straight ticket to me is the
dumbest thing a voter can do, by not checking out each candidate. Like
the Democrats, for instance, sometimes you get a Kennedy, and sometimes
you get a Gore and a Kerry. Sometimes the Republicans get a Nixon.
It's all a game of chance, but I do think there should be an age limit
of about 75 for anybody. We have Senators and Congressmen who can barely
remember where they work, yet they keep getting elected.
And there should definitely be a minimum I.Q. standard for anyone who
wants to be president, about 120 to cull the chaff.
Bill Baka


I wouldn't be for an age limit, and an IQ limit I figure could be abused,
faked, or otherwise subverted. I once went to a Mensa meeting and won the
scrabble tournament, but it was time limited, and I don't think that it was
really a great way to determine much. I've never actually taken the Mensa
test, probably never will, but IQ ain't everything, I think.

Dave Head


Mensa is actually kind of an ego trip organization. I had some members
for friends and they were always trying to 'one up' each other, both at
work and at Wednesday night Pizza and beer. They both worked for me, so
try to imagine what happened to the unwary who walked into that snake
pit. Those guys are why I didn't join. I also don't want to spend an
entire day taking the full battery of tests.

Other topic, age!
We had a senator in Arizona who served until he was 99 or 100 and
decided to retire rather than run. He died soon after that. I think the
correct name was Strom Thurmond, and he set the all time age record for
an elected official. He probably would have gotten re-elected had he
run, even at that age since he was popular, kind of like a state
treasure that they did not want to vote out.

Age or I.Q.???

I like Robin Williams statement about politicians being like diapers.
Change them often and for the same reason.
Bill Baka
  #1068  
Old October 15th 06, 08:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
bill
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wvantwiller wrote:
bill wrote in
:

...

Bush would like to mess with the constitution, not on guns, but other
things, so why not bitch about 'junk' amendments? Ever since 9/11 I
have found excessive police presence. When I turned 55 I went to the
local Social Security office just to see if I was eligible for
anything, since I have paid a ton of income tax and SS tax, and I was
met at the door by a retired cop with a metal detector wand. I said
"What the F..k is this?" and he said he was hired after 9/11 to
prevent a possible terrorist occurrence in the office. A Social
Security office? Get real, there are 3 employees and no money and
there were 4 gray haired people all over 70 just sitting there. Bush
is getting ridiculous with the over policing of the country. As people
on r.b.misc know, I was detained just for riding my bicycle on a
public road too close to an Air Force base and looking suspicious. I
am a totally white third generation American and no way do I look the
least bit arabic, yet I was held until a county sheriff could come and
load me and my bike for a quick ride back home. Bush may not be
anti-gun but he sure as hell wants to take our freedoms away. I am
more worried about being hassled by the Homeland Security people than
being killed by a terrorist these days. Bill Baka


This is the evidence of another of the myriad of Duh-Byah's idiocies.

Just dish/print out money without asking where or when it will come from
because 'we all know terrorists run from money'. But those 'security
contractors' have to pay for those $5000-a-plate Duh-Byah/Bozo-the-Clown
Meals somehow.

It's working in Iraq, too. What is it today? Over $half-a-trillion
served and half-a-million killed?

D'OH!!


I heard somewhere, can't remember exactly, that he has put us
$3 trillion further in debt. Politicians never talk about reducing the
debt, just reducing the 'deficit', as if people are stupid enough not to
know the difference. Please, tell me they aren't.
Bill Baka
  #1069  
Old October 15th 06, 08:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
bill
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Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,
Dave Head wrote:

Yeah, what good is it to live in a country where you can't shoot the
people (or government) with whom you disagree?

Disagreement is one thing, abridging constitutional rights is
something else entirely. I'd only shoot the latter group.


You're going to shoot the Republicans?


Sounds good to me.
Bill Baka
  #1070  
Old October 16th 06, 01:45 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Dave Head
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:48 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

In article ,
Dave Head wrote:

Yeah, what good is it to live in a country where you can't shoot the
people (or government) with whom you disagree?


Disagreement is one thing, abridging constitutional rights is
something else entirely. I'd only shoot the latter group.


You're going to shoot the Republicans?


Shoot any low-life son-of-a-bitch that is trying to damage the Constitution.

Dave Head
 




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