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Big Mig - honest, dishonest?
Dans le message de news:VsF5i.18$eO5.14@trndny08,
B. Lafferty a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : "RonSonic" wrote in message ... On 25 May 2007 09:36:57 -0700, " wrote: I too will always think of him as being a dignified patron of the peleton and-- rightyl or wrongly-- as a clean rider. Perhaps this is naive but it is how I want to remember him. Yes, this is naive! Big Mig was a doper; he was once described as 'EPO perfected'. I sure as hell hope no one still believes Pantani was clean! If they take Riis' title, they should take Pantani's as well. Should Ullrich admit he doped too that would leave...HOLY **** BOBBY JULICH AS THE VIRTUAL TdF champion! Considering the scandal that year and his meteoric crash, I'd Julich was clean. Oh my god my head's going to explode........... This is why the entire concept of rewriting results is so stupid. If they take out Riis, who do they replace him with? Someone who we somehow know to be clean? I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or the Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal. New rule, proposed long ago - you did nothing wrong? Cast the first stone. [notes to rule] - check your memory really really closely, first. |
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On May 25, 12:58 pm, "B. Lafferty" wrote:
I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or the Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal. I saw Mottet cry on the podium at Worlds in Co. (the story being that he raced clean and Argentin... maybe didn't?) All well and good as long as there is no possibility that any food (water, drinks, whatever) or pills or injections had any trace of forbidden substances in them. The obvious question is, how does an athlete know he is "clean"? The "athlete is totally responsible" clause was another low blow in the War on People. ======== OK, the dam has burst. Mr. 60% (he who gained weight and turned orange during the TdF, in addition to winning the thing) has admitted using EPO and other. All charges, sanctions for positives, whatever and whoever, are immediately dropped, for everyone. Just a drop in the bucket, but that would be at least a sign of an admission from the Power that they are fundamentally responsible for the mess-- by making bad rules they could not fairly enforce through simple testing, which situation caused widespread "cheating". After all, if you know the guy or team next to you can cop an unfair advantage with little-to-no fear of being detected, what are your options? Remember "Lead us not into temptation"? Makes me wonder if any of these holy rollin' dope cops ever read the Good Book. At some point, the world of sport needs to grasp the concept of an "unsolveable problem", and find a way to play fair. --D-y |
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Big Mig - honest, dishonest?
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
With a little bit of luck and a couple more 7-CD set self-realization courses from California, I will be fully justified by the time I die. Somebody should have sent some of these Californian CD sets to Sartre. |
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On May 25, 1:58 pm, "B. Lafferty"
wrote: "RonSonic" wrote in message ... On 25 May 2007 09:36:57 -0700, " wrote: I too will always think of him as being a dignified patron of the peleton and-- rightyl or wrongly-- as a clean rider. Perhaps this is naive but it is how I want to remember him. Yes, this is naive! Big Mig was a doper; he was once described as 'EPO perfected'. I sure as hell hope no one still believes Pantani was clean! If they take Riis' title, they should take Pantani's as well. Should Ullrich admit he doped too that would leave...HOLY **** BOBBY JULICH AS THE VIRTUAL TdF champion! Considering the scandal that year and his meteoric crash, I'd Julich was clean. Oh my god my head's going to explode........... This is why the entire concept of rewriting results is so stupid. If they take out Riis, who do they replace him with? Someone who we somehow know to be clean? I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or the Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal Of course I think anyone would feel cheated and would want justice. Clearly the worst victims of doping are those that are truly clean and have made the sacrifices their sport demands only to be denied their just dues. (Not that anybody outside the world of pro cycling believes that there is a such thing as a "clean" rider anymore). As others here have asked, how do you re-write the race results in good concious and without knowing whether you are swapping one cheater for another? In the case of Riis, Ullrich, and Pantani you're talking about +/- 10 years ago. Looking at the GC standings of those Tours, who would you elevate to the top step of the podium? |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... Dans le message de news:VsF5i.18$eO5.14@trndny08, B. Lafferty a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : "RonSonic" wrote in message ... On 25 May 2007 09:36:57 -0700, " wrote: I too will always think of him as being a dignified patron of the peleton and-- rightyl or wrongly-- as a clean rider. Perhaps this is naive but it is how I want to remember him. Yes, this is naive! Big Mig was a doper; he was once described as 'EPO perfected'. I sure as hell hope no one still believes Pantani was clean! If they take Riis' title, they should take Pantani's as well. Should Ullrich admit he doped too that would leave...HOLY **** BOBBY JULICH AS THE VIRTUAL TdF champion! Considering the scandal that year and his meteoric crash, I'd Julich was clean. Oh my god my head's going to explode........... This is why the entire concept of rewriting results is so stupid. If they take out Riis, who do they replace him with? Someone who we somehow know to be clean? I wonder how you would feel if you raced clean and lost Olympic Gold or the Tour to a doper. I'd want justice and the medal. New rule, proposed long ago - you did nothing wrong? Cast the first stone. [notes to rule] - check your memory really really closely, first. Damn Sandy, I could be the virtual TdF champion without having been there. ;-) |
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"Donald Munro" wrote in message . com... Curtis L. Russell wrote: With a little bit of luck and a couple more 7-CD set self-realization courses from California, I will be fully justified by the time I die. Somebody should have sent some of these Californian CD sets to Sartre. Not even that could have let him die a happy death. (joke intended). |
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"Bob Schwartz" wrote in message t... Dan Gregory wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: Callistus Valerius wrote: Dope free also, makes him one of the few legitimate winners. Dumbass, Salbutamol, 1994. In which year Riis admits he was using Epo Gewiss made a ton of progress that year. Just like Telekom would in following years. In 1994 I don't believe EPO was a banned substance yet. I'm not sure when that came, 1996? No, 1990 Benjo |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 20:30:47 +0200, "Sandy" wrote:
New rule, proposed long ago - you did nothing wrong? Cast the first stone. [notes to rule] - check your memory really really closely, first. OK, so I did a few things wrong. OTOH, I find as I grow older, I have better reasons for doing what I did when I was young. With a little bit of luck and a couple more 7-CD set self-realization courses from California, I will be fully justified by the time I die. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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