A Cycling & bikes forum. CycleBanter.com

Go Back   Home » CycleBanter.com forum » rec.bicycles » Recumbent Biking
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Solution to Bashed Chainrings?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #71  
Old July 15th 11, 03:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
T°m [email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 813
Default [OT] habitat

On 7/14/2011 9:48 AM, SMS wrote:
On 7/12/2011 5:08 PM, James wrote:

Horses also leave lots of manure that may contain foreign seeds, and it
is said heavy hooves damage delicate soil structures, in this country.


MV is probably very opposed to horses as well but since one of his only
supporters is a real estate agent that bills herself as a "Horse
Property Specialist," he feels obligated to not publicly oppose them.

This is a shame since if he could be educated to direct his efforts
against the trail users that cause the most damage he would give up on
mountain bikes and concentrate on equestrians.


butbutbut, you can eat a horse, but not a bicycle [1].

[1] Within reasonable standards [2] for diet, that is.
[2] I am aware that a bicycle has been eaten, per Guinness.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
Ads
  #72  
Old July 15th 11, 03:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
T°m [email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 813
Default habitat

On 7/14/2011 12:40 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:48 am, wrote:
On 7/12/2011 5:08 PM, James wrote:

Horses also leave lots of manure that may contain foreign seeds, and it
is said heavy hooves damage delicate soil structures, in this country.


MV is probably very opposed to horses as well but since one of his only
supporters is a real estate agent that bills herself as a "Horse
Property Specialist," he feels obligated to not publicly oppose them.

This is a shame since if he could be educated to direct his efforts
against the trail users that cause the most damage he would give up on
mountain bikes and concentrate on equestrians.


The trail users who cause the most damage, BY FAR, are mountain
bikers. They travel much farther& faster than anyone else.


More so that riders of off-road motorcycles and 4-wheelers, and drivers
of off-road trucks?

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #73  
Old July 15th 11, 03:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
T°m [email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 813
Default OT - Horses

On 7/14/2011 3:38 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Jul 14, 1:02 pm, Peter wrote:
On 7/14/2011 10:48 AM, SMS wrote:

On 7/12/2011 5:08 PM, James wrote:


Horses also leave lots of manure that may contain foreign seeds, and it
is said heavy hooves damage delicate soil structures, in this country.


MV is probably very opposed to horses as well but since one of his only
supporters is a real estate agent that bills herself as a "Horse
Property Specialist," he feels obligated to not publicly oppose them.


This is a shame since if he could be educated to direct his efforts
against the trail users that cause the most damage he would give up on
mountain bikes and concentrate on equestrians.


India has sacred cows, we've got sacred horses. I've ridden horses,
mountain biked and hiked on the same trails. No contest, horses trash
the place, but they're grandfathered in. It's ironic that many of our
local trails have seasonal closures during mud season, but the only
users who are excluded are bikers.


You obviously haven't studied the SCIENCE (REAL science, not the JUNK
science created by mountain bikers). The SCIENCE shows that mountain
bikers have greater impacts on erosion, plants, and animals, partly
because they generally travel several times as FAR and as FAST as
other trail users, multiplying their impacts. (See http://mjvande/nfshost.com/scb7.htm.)
Besides that, horses evolved in North America, and hence arguably have
the right to go wherever they want to. BIKES, on the other hand, and
inanimate OBJECTS, and have no rights whatsoever. And there is no
right to mountain bike (see http://mjvande/nfshost.com/mtb10.htm).


Uh no. The horses in North America were imported by Europeans starting
in the late 15th Century. Native horses in North America went extinct
between 7,500 and 10,000 years ago.

So much for Vandeman "SCIENCE".

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #74  
Old July 15th 11, 03:40 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
T°m [email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 813
Default habitat

On 7/14/2011 5:51 PM, SMS wrote:
On 7/13/2011 12:50 AM, Chalo wrote:

You have demonstrated yourself to the point of absurdity to be an
unreliable and uncorrectable "expert" on this topic. I suggest you
retire from the discussion both here and elsewhere, for your own
benefit. Cooler heads than yours will carry on from here.

Chalo


He's a big fan of junk science, and he obviously hasn't read the volumes
of material by impartial researchers.

The fact is that all the experts agree that horses create far more
damage than cyclists and that hikers and cyclists have similar impact
both to trails and wildlife. There are no reputable studies that show
otherwise, obviously.

It's not zero impact. Vibram soles have impact to trails just as
mountain bike tires do, though in slightly different ways. Similarly, as
far as wildlife impact, horses do far more damage than hikers or
cyclists, but hikers, since they stay in one area for a longer period of
time, are more disruptive of wildlife than a responsible mountain biker.

There's the extremely weak argument that horses are okay because they're
"grandfathered in" while off-road bicycling is only a few decades old,
but of course the "we were here first" argument has no real validity.

Again, one his only supporters in his jihad against bicyclists is an
equestrian who also specializes in selling properties suitable for horse
owners. Obviously she has a vested interest in keeping as many trails
open to horses as possible and as many trails closed to cyclists. You
think she might want to have enlisted someone more knowledgeable in her
efforts since clearly her convicted friend is not helping her cause!


Wow! Scharf is correct twice in one week.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #75  
Old July 15th 11, 03:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
T°m [email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 813
Default habitat

On 7/14/2011 6:36 PM, SMS wrote:
On 7/14/2011 4:18 PM, Chalo wrote:

And for every one of us in this discussion who has the integrity of
the natural environment at heart, there are probably a crowd of folks
whose idea of outdoors adventure involves gratuitously murdering wild
animals for entertainment, or making a huge amount of motor noise and
pollution.


What's funny-sad is that MV probably does have the integrity of the
natural environment at heart, but he lacks the knowledge and personal
integrity to make a difference for it.


Vandeman may not have knowledge and personal integrity, but he does have
a HANDSAW.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #76  
Old July 15th 11, 08:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,755
Default words, words, words. What do they mean?

On Jul 14, 7:25*pm, "Tm [email protected]" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 7/14/2011 6:52 PM, Michael Press wrote:



In article
,
* Andre *wrote:


[...]


Name the parole officer you claim supervises Michael Vandeman, or
apologize for the lie you told. **** or get off the pot.


You're scum bringing false witness, Tom Sherman.


Unsigned out of contempt


There is a difference between a probation officer and a parole officer.
You are not doing your argument any good by confusing them.


As a "prior offender", Michael J. Vandeman, Piled Higher and Deeper,
needs to modify his behavior, if he wants to avoid having a parole
officer in the future.


So now you are admitting that you were wrong about me having a PO.
It's only something that MIGHT happen in the future.... You are one
sick, dishonest person. How do you live with yourself? Do you throw up
whenever you look into a mirror?
  #77  
Old July 15th 11, 06:01 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
RonSonic
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,658
Default habitat


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Jul 14, 7:48 am, SMS wrote:
On 7/12/2011 5:08 PM, James wrote:


This is a shame since if he could be educated to direct his efforts
against the trail users that cause the most damage he would give up on
mountain bikes and concentrate on equestrians.


The trail users who cause the most damage, BY FAR, are mountain
bikers. They travel much farther & faster than anyone else.

What makes you think that "farther & faster" equals more damaging. Farther
and faster means more efficient, less weight and less impact.

Where you startled by a rude cyclist out on a trail and this is what it's
all about?


  #78  
Old July 15th 11, 06:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
RonSonic
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,658
Default habitat


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Jul 14, 1:02 pm, Peter Cole wrote:

You obviously haven't studied the SCIENCE (REAL science, not the JUNK
science created by mountain bikers). The SCIENCE shows that mountain
bikers have greater impacts on erosion, plants, and animals, partly
because they generally travel several times as FAR and as FAST as
other trail users, multiplying their impacts. (See
http://mjvande/nfshost.com/scb7.htm.)
Besides that, horses evolved in North America, and hence arguably have
the right to go wherever they want to. BIKES, on the other hand, and
inanimate OBJECTS, and have no rights whatsoever. And there is no
right to mountain bike (see http://mjvande/nfshost.com/mtb10.htm).

Horses were EXTINCT in North America and every single one of them is
foreign.

I agree with you on a philosophic basis, bikes are indeed inanimate and if I
ever see one out on a trail on its own, I'll order it off the trail.


  #79  
Old July 15th 11, 06:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
RonSonic
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,658
Default habitat


"SMS" wrote in message
...
On 7/14/2011 4:18 PM, Chalo wrote:

And for every one of us in this discussion who has the integrity of
the natural environment at heart, there are probably a crowd of folks
whose idea of outdoors adventure involves gratuitously murdering wild
animals for entertainment, or making a huge amount of motor noise and
pollution.


What's funny-sad is that MV probably does have the integrity of the
natural environment at heart, but he lacks the knowledge and personal
integrity to make a difference for it.


This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the
greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral
pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses
each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it
wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to
chainsaws.



  #80  
Old July 15th 11, 08:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,alt.mountain-bike,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Chalo
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,093
Default habitat

Ronsonic wrote:

This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the
greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral
pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses
each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it
wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to
chainsaws.


Too many kosher eaters relocated to Florida, I guess.

Still seems to me that most of the destroyed habitat I have seen in
Florida has been at the hands of some kind of peckerwood.

Chalo
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cyclist Bashed Craig Strong Australia 21 January 31st 07 04:58 AM
Bush bashed by bike Grazza Australia 0 February 28th 06 02:43 AM
McEwen bashed by thugs at Indy Shabby Australia 14 October 26th 05 12:23 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2022 CycleBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.