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Has anyone been fired (testing labs)?
Regarding the labs doing the drug testing, a couple things come to mind-
#1: What, exactly, are the rules regarding confidentiality of the testing? Are they recommendations, or are there sanctions that can occur? #2: As I was thinking out loud during an exchange with Benjo, for the first time it came to me that perhaps there *is* a cultural issue with the leaky lab. A reason why it drives many Americans crazy (in terms of the type and number of leaks that occur) yet doesn't seem to bother the French. The plain & simple truth is that, here in the US, if someone were found to be the source of such leaks, they'd be fired. Few would question that such an act was called for, and the fact that such a realistic downside to not following the rules exists serves as a means of enforcing the rule. But in France, perhaps it's much harder to fire someone? And thus, what *might* be seen a an almost-heroic (in some cases) act of disobedience in the US... something that someone is willing to put their reputation on the line for... in France, perhaps it's nothing more than a personal vendetta. A way of easily taking the law into ones own hands and not having to worry much about the downside to doing so. So with that, I wonder... has anyone been fired from one of the testing labs (for improper procedures or leaking info to the press)? Have they even bothered to look very hard for those guilty, if in fact there's not much they can do about it anyway? --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA |
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Regarding the labs doing the drug testing, a couple things come to mind- #1: What, exactly, are the rules regarding confidentiality of the testing? Are they recommendations, or are there sanctions that can occur? The CAS does NOT have the authority to impose a fine for breach of confidentiality or any other mistake. The riders agreed to these rules when they took out a license, so they lose the right to complain. If they want to sue the lab, then be my guest. #2: As I was thinking out loud during an exchange with Benjo, for the first time it came to me that perhaps there *is* a cultural issue with the leaky lab. A reason why it drives many Americans crazy (in terms of the type and number of leaks that occur) yet doesn't seem to bother the French. The plain & simple truth is that, here in the US, if someone were found to be the source of such leaks, they'd be fired. I completely disagree. Leaks happen all the time in U.S. law enforcement. What makes you think it's just a Euro thing? Few would question that such an act was called for, and the fact that such a realistic downside to not following the rules exists serves as a means of enforcing the rule. Let me ask you something - why are so concerned with the leaks - as opposed to the positive test results? What is the point of finding out who leaked this stuff? I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? But in France, perhaps it's much harder to fire someone? And thus, what *might* be seen a an almost-heroic (in some cases) act of disobedience in the US... something that someone is willing to put their reputation on the line for... in France, perhaps it's nothing more than a personal vendetta. A way of easily taking the law into ones own hands and not having to worry much about the downside to doing so. So with that, I wonder... has anyone been fired from one of the testing labs (for improper procedures or leaking info to the press)? Probably for the same reason nobody gets fired in your local prosecutor's office for leaking informmation to the press. Have they even bothered to look very hard for those guilty, if in fact there's not much they can do about it anyway? How would they "look" for that person? Do these like use a magnifying glass? Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? Dumbass - It calls into question the impartiality of the lab. So with that, I wonder... has anyone been fired from one of the testing labs (for improper procedures or leaking info to the press)? Probably for the same reason nobody gets fired in your local prosecutor's office for leaking informmation to the press. Bad analogy. The prosecutor is not supposed to be impartial. The judge is. Note how lawyers give statements to the press but judges never do. In the case of cycling or any other sport, the lab is also supposed to be impartial. The lab should not be engaging in anything beyond testing. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Regarding the labs doing the drug testing, a couple things come to mind- #1: What, exactly, are the rules regarding confidentiality of the testing? Are they recommendations, or are there sanctions that can occur? #2: As I was thinking out loud during an exchange with Benjo, for the first time it came to me that perhaps there *is* a cultural issue with the leaky lab. A reason why it drives many Americans crazy (in terms of the type and number of leaks that occur) yet doesn't seem to bother the French. snip Dumbass - A difference in mentality can be seen with their different approach to jurisprudence. In France, once someone is charged with a crime, it is up to the accused to prove his/her innocence. Here it is up to the prosecutor to prove the accused is guilty. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? Dumbass - It calls into question the impartiality of the lab. Does it really? In reality, the person leaking the info is not the person running the test. Therefore, the impartiality of the leaker is irrelevant. Thanks, Magilla |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? Dumbass - It calls into question the impartiality of the lab. So with that, I wonder... has anyone been fired from one of the testing labs (for improper procedures or leaking info to the press)? Probably for the same reason nobody gets fired in your local prosecutor's office for leaking informmation to the press. Bad analogy. The prosecutor is not supposed to be impartial. The judge is. Note how lawyers give statements to the press but judges never do. FACT: Judges are notoriously partial and their silence to the press does not equate to their impartiality. Most judges are partial to prosecutors. Magilla |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? Dumbass - It calls into question the impartiality of the lab. So with that, I wonder... has anyone been fired from one of the testing labs (for improper procedures or leaking info to the press)? Probably for the same reason nobody gets fired in your local prosecutor's office for leaking informmation to the press. Bad analogy. The prosecutor is not supposed to be impartial. The judge is. Note how lawyers give statements to the press but judges never do. In the case of cycling or any other sport, the lab is also supposed to be impartial. The lab should not be engaging in anything beyond testing. I was unaware that WADA labs engage in anything other than testing. Magilla |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Regarding the labs doing the drug testing, a couple things come to mind- #1: What, exactly, are the rules regarding confidentiality of the testing? Are they recommendations, or are there sanctions that can occur? #2: As I was thinking out loud during an exchange with Benjo, for the first time it came to me that perhaps there *is* a cultural issue with the leaky lab. A reason why it drives many Americans crazy (in terms of the type and number of leaks that occur) yet doesn't seem to bother the French. snip Dumbass - A difference in mentality can be seen with their different approach to jurisprudence. In France, once someone is charged with a crime, it is up to the accused to prove his/her innocence. Here it is up to the prosecutor to prove the accused is guilty. thanks, K. Gringioni. This is only in theory. In reality, U.S. juries consider all defendants guilty and it is up to defendants to disprove the prosecutor's case. That's why innocent people are convicted all the time. Magilla |
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Truly naive.
Its nothing but credibility. I can't trust them to follow their own protocols, why would I expect they didn't play loose with the rest? |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: Kurgan Gringioni wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: I don't understand what your point is in finding out the source of these leaks - do you think that doing so will somehow turn positive tests into negative tests? Dumbass - It calls into question the impartiality of the lab. Does it really? In reality, the person leaking the info is not the person running the test. Therefore, the impartiality of the leaker is irrelevant. Are you a Jesuit? A corrupt agent in the laboratory can pick and choose _which_ data to divulge. The data does not even have to have scientific weight to be damaging when divulged. -- Michael Press |
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