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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Clive George wrote:
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... In my experience, they aren't. But I would imagine that most motorist caused injuries are reported, probably not the same for cycle collisions. (My daughters injuries were not reported) Why not? If you want the authorities to do something about this, you need them to have the evidence that it is a problem. Complaining on here isn't going to do anything - go to the police and get the injury recorded. What did you do about the person who caused the injury? I did nothing, it was my daughter that was struck, the cyclist did not stop & she thought 'what is the point' -- Tony the Dragon |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:07:39 +0000 someone who may be Jolly Polly wrote this:- The pavement is the sole preserve of the pedestrian However, councils are adding white paint and blue signs to pavements. By magic that turns the pavement into a "cycle facility", which cyclists are supposed to be grateful for and want to use. These farcilities are not looked on with favour by many cyclists, but when they ignore them in favour of the roads they are "encouraged" by some motorists to get on the pavement. Even where there is no magic paint and signs some motorists "encourage" cyclists to get on the pavement "where they belong". No-one is complaining at cyclists' use of such "facilities". The discussion is about illegal use of footways which are *not* designated as cycle racetracks (eg, most of Central London - and the footway at the bottom of my driveway). But why lose the opportunity to try to change the subject, eh? |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Daniel Barlow wrote:
JNugent writes: Dunno about that. How about a law saying that anyone who swings a hammer recklessly in a public place within a foot of a passer-by is guilty of an offence? If it causes the passerby to fear injury to themselvs, it's already assault. Do we need more specific legislation? No. And certainly not a licensing system for hammers - which sort of blows the PP's attempt at a "point" out of the water. |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
JNugent wrote:
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:34:53 +0000, Tony Dragon said in : can you explain why none of my family have never had a near miss with a car on the footway, but have had many with cyclists? Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured by motorists than cyclists ? Here is a word you missed *footway* Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than cyclists ? They may be more likely (statistically) to be *killed* by an out of control motor-vehicle which mounts the footway (perhaps even with a dead driver at the wheel), but are pedestrians more likely to be *injured* by a motor-vehicle mounting the footway than by one of the much more numerous bicycles being ridden along it? You missed the word deliberately after ridden. -- Tony the Dragon |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:51:52 +0000, Tony Dragon said in : Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than cyclists ? In my experience, they aren't. Which does not actually change the documented fact that pedestrians are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than cyclists. Nor does it change the fact that in an increasing number of places cycling on the footway is legal and actively encouraged, and neither does it change the fact that the problem is in any case only another symptom of the danger posed by motor traffic, which is the major killer of both pedestrians and cyclists. Hence the suggestion that working on motor danger is a better bet for public policy intervention; to only will this tackle the much more significant source of danger to both pedestrians and motorists, it will also reduce the incentive to ride on the footway (legally or not). That's a result with which most of us here would be very happy indeed. Guy So you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have established that. -- Tony the Dragon |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Tony Dragon wrote:
JNugent wrote: Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:34:53 +0000, Tony Dragon said in : can you explain why none of my family have never had a near miss with a car on the footway, but have had many with cyclists? Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured by motorists than cyclists ? Here is a word you missed *footway* Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than cyclists ? They may be more likely (statistically) to be *killed* by an out of control motor-vehicle which mounts the footway (perhaps even with a dead driver at the wheel), but are pedestrians more likely to be *injured* by a motor-vehicle mounting the footway than by one of the much more numerous bicycles being ridden along it? You missed the word deliberately after ridden. I accept the Hon. Gentleman's amendment. |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
... Clive George wrote: "Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... In my experience, they aren't. But I would imagine that most motorist caused injuries are reported, probably not the same for cycle collisions. (My daughters injuries were not reported) Why not? If you want the authorities to do something about this, you need them to have the evidence that it is a problem. Complaining on here isn't going to do anything - go to the police and get the injury recorded. What did you do about the person who caused the injury? I did nothing, it was my daughter that was struck, the cyclist did not stop & she thought 'what is the point' Well, now you know what the point is, and can communicate it to her. If she's been as upset by the incident as you obviously have been, she'll realise that it she'll need to take action. Getting the injuries reported is the point - without that record, there is no impetus for people to make change. Of course if this incident happened a while ago, you're probably too late. But if you feel a similar incident is likely to happen again, you and your relatives and your friends probably ought to be prepared to take the relevant actions. |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Phil W Lee wrote:
Tony Dragon considered Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:51:52 +0000 the perfect time to write: Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:34:53 +0000, Tony Dragon said in : can you explain why none of my family have never had a near miss with a car on the footway, but have had many with cyclists? Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured by motorists than cyclists ? Here is a word you missed *footway* Can you explain why pedestrians are far more likely to be injured on the footway by motorists than cyclists ? Guy In my experience, they aren't. But I would imagine that most motorist caused injuries are reported, probably not the same for cycle collisions. (My daughters injuries were not reported) Did you lie to the hospital about the cause then? Because if you didn't, they will have made it into the stats. I have no idea if the hospital added the incident into the stats, do you? -- Tony the Dragon |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Phil W Lee wrote:
Tony Dragon considered Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:40:45 +0000 the perfect time to write: Clive George wrote: "Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... I noticed he has not replied to me either, so I must draw my own conclusions. You can draw your own conclusions, but they may well be wrong. I'm probably not alone in feeling that the actual reason is there's no point in him replying to you - you're only here to cause trouble. What a well considered answer. If you had to drive to A&E to collect your daughter after she had been hit by a pavement cyclist (who did not bother to stop), tell me what would your opinion be about cycling on the footway? I don't see why it should be any different to my attitude to trees after my daughter's serious head injury resulting from a fall out of one. And I'm not going around campaigning for trees to be fenced of or felled. Were the trees breaking the law? -- Tony the Dragon |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
"JNugent" wrote in message ... David Hansen wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:07:39 +0000 someone who may be Jolly Polly wrote this:- The pavement is the sole preserve of the pedestrian However, councils are adding white paint and blue signs to pavements. By magic that turns the pavement into a "cycle facility", which cyclists are supposed to be grateful for and want to use. These farcilities are not looked on with favour by many cyclists, but when they ignore them in favour of the roads they are "encouraged" by some motorists to get on the pavement. Even where there is no magic paint and signs some motorists "encourage" cyclists to get on the pavement "where they belong". No-one is complaining at cyclists' use of such "facilities". The discussion is about illegal use of footways which are *not* designated as cycle racetracks (eg, most of Central London - and the footway at the bottom of my driveway). But why lose the opportunity to try to change the subject, eh? What about this one? http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/ August 2008 |
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