More dumb**** liberals...

On Aug 13, 2:12*pm, Scott wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:53*pm, "Paul G." wrote:



On Aug 13, 11:16*am, Scott wrote:

On Aug 13, 11:30*am, "Paul G." wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:56*am, Scott wrote:

With what limited respect I can muster, I'm not impressed by any of
your rants and I doubt seriously that you could back me or anyone down
with a scowl. *My guess is you're big as a bear, a 40% bodyfat bear.
Not particularly scary to be confronted by someone like that, unless
you're carrying ice cream.

You're very unimpressive yourself, Rambo. *You claim to have
experience as a commander, yet you seem to be better at shooting of
your mouth than assessing Bush's pathetic performance as commander-in-
chief. You obviously don't have what it takes to lead.

I haven't questioned your service. *You tell us you worked as a radar
tech. *I believe you. *You bet your ass I believe you. * I have
commented on the nature of your service, qualifying it as "camp
follower" to prove the point that you aren't so damn brave, either,
and you arrogantly think that because you were "educated" you were
better suited to working with radars instead of doing the grunt work,
as if there is something demeaning about being in the combat arms..

That cuts both ways. You're demeaning the nature of my service, not
that I give a ****. You're making excuses for Bush's pathetic
leadership skills. That's all I need to know about YOUR leadership
skills.

Your elitist attitude has come out in numerous posts, but what you
don't understand is that the great majority of those serving in the
combat arms are as educated as you, but not so pussified as to look
for the easy way out or to avoid the hard, dangerous work that's
required.

snort! *The "great majority"?! * You need to read more. Of course
that would require pulling your head out of your ass:

WASHINGTON - Army Secretary Noel Harvey and vice chief of staff Gen..
Richard Cody said Monday that the Army was using looser Defense
Department rules that permitted it to sign up more high school
dropouts and people who score lower on mental-qualification tests, but
they denied that this meant it was lowering standards.

Some might say I have an elitist attitude, too, and I do.

OK, so I'm elitist and it's bad, you're elitist and it's good. *I
don't give a ****.

I proudly
served in elite units with very professional, very dedicated soldiers
who'd just as soon stick an icepick in your ear as look at you if I'd
asked 'em to,

Psychopaths are like that.

You don't have any ****ing idea what that aide whispered in President
Bush's ear and I for one doubt very seriously it was "the nation is
under attack".

You really are a moron. *Andrew Card has publicly stated what happened
at that historic moment. It's on the Whitehouse website:http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20030416.html

"I walked into the room, trying not to be disruptive to the young
students and whispered in the President's right ear, "A second plane
hit the second tower. America is under attack!"

Consider that the usenet equivalent of an icepick in the ear.
-Paul

Funny, but I ain't bleeding.

Yeah- no bleeding in usenet- dumbass.

"You don't have any ****ing idea what that aide whispered in President
Bush's ear and I for one doubt very seriously it was "the nation is
under attack".
-Rambo Scott

*"I ... whispered in the President's right ear, "A second plane hit
the second tower. America is under attack!"
-Andrew Card

Victory is sweet. *Now a real man would have the balls to simply say
"I was wrong". * You didn't. That makes this doubly sweet.

-Paul- Hide quoted text -

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If you want relish in your "victory", go ahead.

Oh, I am. Say, are you a graduate of the "Col. Armstrong Custer
School of Tactics"?

*At the moment I'm not
familiar with the details of what was presented to President Bush that
day, how much he knew, when he knew it, etc...

Sure. You're literally ignorant of the facts, yet you said: "You don't
have any ****ing idea what that aide whispered in President
Bush's ear and I for one doubt very seriously it was "the nation is
under attack".

Note that it was quite the opposite. It was you who didn't have "any
****ing idea what that aide whispered in President Bush's ear".

and without anything
other than your declaration of how the events happened to go on, I
wouldn't concede anything.

I provided you with a link to the facts, right on whitehouse.gov.
That's not my declaration of what Andy Card said, it's straight from
Andy Card, on George Bush's personal website.


Besides, what the hell do you know about having balls?

Like I said, real men are not afraid to admit a mistake. It's a
matter of honor, but then you wouldn't know anything about honor.
-Paul

On Aug 13, 4:07*pm, Bret wrote:
On Aug 13, 3:12*pm, Scott wrote:

*At the moment I'm not
familiar with the details of what was presented to President Bush that
day, how much he knew, when he knew it, etc... and without anything
other than your declaration of how the events happened to go on, I
wouldn't concede anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Hi Scott. *Did you get a good look at my near crash on Sunday? I'd be
interested in hearing how that started if you know.

Bret

Are you talking about the one where Crazy Larry nearly ran you off the
road? If so, I'll tell you all about it on Saturday. It wasn't
deliberate, he just didn't react properly to someone bumping his front
wheel, and when he broke contact with the rider in front of him he
swerved wildly since he was so off balance.

It wasn't deliberate, but it was quintessential Crazy Larry! Haven't
you learned the cardinal rule of racing with him: always ride in
front of him!

On Aug 13, 4:32*pm, Scott wrote:
On Aug 13, 4:07*pm, Bret wrote:

On Aug 13, 3:12*pm, Scott wrote:

*At the moment I'm not
familiar with the details of what was presented to President Bush that
day, how much he knew, when he knew it, etc... and without anything
other than your declaration of how the events happened to go on, I
wouldn't concede anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Hi Scott. *Did you get a good look at my near crash on Sunday? I'd be
interested in hearing how that started if you know.

Bret

Are you talking about the one where Crazy Larry nearly ran you off the
road? *If so, I'll tell you all about it on Saturday. *It wasn't
deliberate, he just didn't react properly to someone bumping his front
wheel, and when he broke contact with the rider in front of him he
swerved wildly since he was so off balance.

It wasn't deliberate, but it was quintessential Crazy Larry! *Haven't
you learned the cardinal rule of racing with him: *always ride in
front of him!

That's the problem with not road racing much any more. I don't know
everyone. It wouldn't have helped much in this case anyway because he
came out of nowhere from my perspective.

On Aug 13, 2:54*pm, Barry Harmon wrote:
One small thing to consider.

Most disaster response protocols say that the best place for the leader in
the first few minutes is in a safe place with good communications. *


Was Bush in a safe place with good communications? Was he assessing
information? Right off the bat he's failed your first three items.
One small thing you don't seem to have considered. This is the nuclear
age. SLBM's can hit their targets within 10 minutes. Any way you cut
it, when an aide whispers "America is under attack!" in the
president's ear he has better things to do than pick up a children's
book. I'm amazed that this is even controversial.

I'm further astounded that given the facts you write "while the
underlings make the proper responses, responses which they have
rehearsed many times and know by heart." Were you not aware that
there was no plan for this sort of thing? Leadership was required.

As I said, only the president could authorize the shootdown of a
civilian airliner, yet that was pretty hard for Bush to do while
sitting on his ass out of the loop. In fact, Dick Cheney had to do it,
even though he didn't have the authority. Dick's a dick, but at least
he doesn't freeze in a crisis.


I'm not a Bush fan, but I don't find much fault with the initial response to the 9/11 attacks. *

I personally don't think it takes a heck of a lot of leadership and
initiative to look into the situation when an aide tells you "America
is under attack!" There's a guy following you around with a
"football" and Air Force 1 is packed with electronics for just such an
event. That anyone would suggest that it's OK for the president to
sit on his ass while the county is under attack boggles my mind.
-Paul

"Scott" wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 12:53 pm, "Paul G." wrote:

Victory is sweet. Now a real man would have the balls to simply say
"I was wrong". You didn't. That makes this doubly sweet.

Imagine a person who is afraid to post their identity talking about "real"
men.

If you want relish in your "victory", go ahead. At the moment I'm not
familiar with the details of what was presented to President Bush that
day, how much he knew, when he knew it, etc... and without anything
other than your declaration of how the events happened to go on, I
wouldn't concede anything.

I find it interesting that someone like Paul who knows absolutely nothing
about what went on, except that Bush didn't run screaming from a classroom,
is pretending as if he had some sort of knowledge that no one else here has.

On Aug 13, 4:46*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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On Aug 13, 12:53 pm, "Paul G." wrote:

Victory is sweet. Now a real man would have the balls to simply say
"I was wrong". You didn't. That makes this doubly sweet.

Imagine a person who is afraid to post their identity talking about "real"
men.

If you want relish in your "victory", go ahead. *At the moment I'm not
familiar with the details of what was presented to President Bush that
day, how much he knew, when he knew it, etc... and without anything
other than your declaration of how the events happened to go on, I
wouldn't concede anything.

I find it interesting that someone like Paul who knows absolutely nothing
about what went on, except that Bush didn't run screaming from a classroom,
is pretending as if he had some sort of knowledge that no one else here has.

I posted links to the video and Andy Card's account of what he said..
You can see for yourself. Andy Card whispers in Bush's ear and Bush
just sits there. Eventually he picks up a children's book. That's all
there is to it.

If that meets your expectations of the commander-in-chief while the
country is under attack, all I can say is WOW! Your standards are
very low. A stump or a rock could have done as much.

I can see why the country is such a mess. You people are clueless.
Thankfully you're an ever-shrinking minority.
-Paul

On Aug 13, 7:18*pm, "Paul G." wrote:
On Aug 13, 2:54*pm, Barry Harmon wrote:

One small thing to consider.

Most disaster response protocols say that the best place for the leader in
the first few minutes is in a safe place with good communications. *

Was Bush in a safe place with good communications? *Was he assessing
information? *Right off the bat he's failed your first three items.
One small thing you don't seem to have considered. This is the nuclear
age. *SLBM's can hit their targets within 10 minutes. Any way you cut
it, when an aide whispers "America is under attack!" *in the
president's ear he has better things to do than pick up a children's
book. I'm amazed that this is even controversial.

I'm further astounded that given the facts you write "while the
underlings make the proper responses, responses which they have
rehearsed many times and know by heart." * Were you not aware that
there was no plan for this sort of thing? *Leadership was required.

As I said, only the president could authorize the shootdown of a
civilian airliner, yet that was pretty hard for Bush to do while
sitting on his ass out of the loop. In fact, Dick Cheney had to do it,
even though he didn't have the authority. *Dick's a dick, but at least
he doesn't freeze in a crisis.



I'm not a Bush fan, but I don't find much fault with the initial response to the 9/11 attacks. *

I personally don't think it takes a heck of a lot of leadership and
initiative to look into the situation when an aide tells you "America
is under attack!" * There's a guy following you around with a
"football" and Air Force 1 is packed with electronics for just such an
event. *That anyone would suggest that it's OK for the president to
sit on his ass *while the county is under attack boggles my mind.
-Paul

Facts just don't matter to you at all. It's amazing.They did launch
what passes for our interceptor force. It was useless because that
system was reconfigured based on the idea we would have plenty of
warning of any event to get fighters to the required areas. It was
wrong when it was done, it's still wrong. The AF is broken.
I'm so amused at your babbling about SLBM's and flight time when you
claimed that was BS when I brought that up in the TK was right thread
regarding the relocation of air assets off the coasts.
Normally I have to pay for this kind of comedy.
Bill C.

"Bill C" wrote in message
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Normally I have to pay for this kind of comedy.

He can keep it up as long as you can.

On Aug 13, 5:13*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:18*pm, "Paul G." wrote:



On Aug 13, 2:54*pm, Barry Harmon wrote:

One small thing to consider.

Most disaster response protocols say that the best place for the leader in
the first few minutes is in a safe place with good communications. *

Was Bush in a safe place with good communications? *Was he assessing
information? *Right off the bat he's failed your first three items.
One small thing you don't seem to have considered. This is the nuclear
age. *SLBM's can hit their targets within 10 minutes. Any way you cut
it, when an aide whispers "America is under attack!" *in the
president's ear he has better things to do than pick up a children's
book. I'm amazed that this is even controversial.

I'm further astounded that given the facts you write "while the
underlings make the proper responses, responses which they have
rehearsed many times and know by heart." * Were you not aware that
there was no plan for this sort of thing? *Leadership was required.

As I said, only the president could authorize the shootdown of a
civilian airliner, yet that was pretty hard for Bush to do while
sitting on his ass out of the loop. In fact, Dick Cheney had to do it,
even though he didn't have the authority. *Dick's a dick, but at least
he doesn't freeze in a crisis.

I'm not a Bush fan, but I don't find much fault with the initial response to the 9/11 attacks. *

I personally don't think it takes a heck of a lot of leadership and
initiative to look into the situation when an aide tells you "America
is under attack!" * There's a guy following you around with a
"football" and Air Force 1 is packed with electronics for just such an
event. *That anyone would suggest that it's OK for the president to
sit on his ass *while the county is under attack boggles my mind.
-Paul

Facts just don't matter to you at all.

Facts matter a lot to me. Here, I'll dumb it down for you. It's a
fact that Bush sat on his ass after Andy Card told him "America is
under attack!"
I find that fact shocking and unacceptable. Apparently you don't.

I don't blame Bush for the interceptor fiasco. Presidents don't get
into that level of detail. But they sure as hell are responsible for
their actions (or in Bush's case, inaction) when they KNOW that the
country is under attack.

"Somebody's probably taking care of that. I wonder what's for lunch"
is not my idea of leadership at the level of commander-in-chief.
-Paul

On 8/13/08 6:00 PM, in article
, "Paul G."
wrote:

On Aug 13, 5:13*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:18*pm, "Paul G." wrote:



On Aug 13, 2:54*pm, Barry Harmon wrote:

One small thing to consider.

Most disaster response protocols say that the best place for the leader in
the first few minutes is in a safe place with good communications. *

Was Bush in a safe place with good communications? *Was he assessing
information? *Right off the bat he's failed your first three items.
One small thing you don't seem to have considered. This is the nuclear
age. *SLBM's can hit their targets within 10 minutes. Any way you cut
it, when an aide whispers "America is under attack!" *in the
president's ear he has better things to do than pick up a children's
book. I'm amazed that this is even controversial.

I'm further astounded that given the facts you write "while the
underlings make the proper responses, responses which they have
rehearsed many times and know by heart." * Were you not aware that
there was no plan for this sort of thing? *Leadership was required.

As I said, only the president could authorize the shootdown of a
civilian airliner, yet that was pretty hard for Bush to do while
sitting on his ass out of the loop. In fact, Dick Cheney had to do it,
even though he didn't have the authority. *Dick's a dick, but at least
he doesn't freeze in a crisis.

I'm not a Bush fan, but I don't find much fault with the initial response
to the 9/11 attacks. *

I personally don't think it takes a heck of a lot of leadership and
initiative to look into the situation when an aide tells you "America
is under attack!" * There's a guy following you around with a
"football" and Air Force 1 is packed with electronics for just such an
event. *That anyone would suggest that it's OK for the president to
sit on his ass *while the county is under attack boggles my mind.
-Paul

Facts just don't matter to you at all.

Facts matter a lot to me. Here, I'll dumb it down for you. It's a
fact that Bush sat on his ass after Andy Card told him "America is
under attack!"
I find that fact shocking and unacceptable. Apparently you don't.

I don't blame Bush for the interceptor fiasco. Presidents don't get
into that level of detail. But they sure as hell are responsible for
their actions (or in Bush's case, inaction) when they KNOW that the
country is under attack.

"Somebody's probably taking care of that. I wonder what's for lunch"
is not my idea of leadership at the level of commander-in-chief.
-Paul






NO WAIT?!?!?!?!

Was the country under attack or was it an inside job by the dumbest
president in history???!???


Damn! I cannot keep you wackjobs theories straight anymore...