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Sierra Club -- cycling is scary
From the January issue of the Sierra Club's magazine, ostensibly trying
to encourage people to ride: http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200501/bike_tech.asp "But I'm scared stiff of biking" Well, you should be. There are a lot of idiots behind the wheel, and 662 cyclists were among the more than 42,500 Americans slaughtered in motor vehicle accidents in 2002. Bikers should learn safety measures and, above all, wear a helmet. About 85 percent of those cyclists were not wearing helmets. Avoiding main roads and staying sober greatly increase your odds of survival, since about 60 percent of bike fatalities occur on major roads, and over a fourth of the dead cyclists had been drinking. Also, the fatality rate soars at night. |
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ups.com... From the January issue of the Sierra Club's magazine, ostensibly trying to encourage people to ride: http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200501/bike_tech.asp "But I'm scared stiff of biking" Well, you should be. With friends like these... |
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From the January issue of the Sierra Club's magazine, ostensibly trying to encourage people to ride: http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200501/bike_tech.asp "But I'm scared stiff of biking" Well, you should be. There are a lot of idiots behind the wheel, and 662 cyclists were among the more than 42,500 Americans slaughtered in motor vehicle accidents in 2002. Bikers should learn safety measures and, above all, wear a helmet. About 85 percent of those cyclists were not wearing helmets. Avoiding main roads and staying sober greatly increase your odds of survival, since about 60 percent of bike fatalities occur on major roads, and over a fourth of the dead cyclists had been drinking. Also, the fatality rate soars at night. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. I hate the Sierra Club. They exist mostly for the benefit of the people on their payroll. If it's not to line their pockets, it's to feather their caps. Matt O. |
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. I hate the Sierra Club. They exist mostly for the benefit of the people on their payroll. If it's not to line their pockets, it's to feather their caps. You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same. I've been a Sierra Club member for about 10 years. The chapter I belong to has a few flakes, but our membership is predominantly scientists, engineers and teachers. Our chapter is involved with our community: we pick up trash at local parks; we help the county plant trees for erosion control; we sponsor film festivals and lectures; we organize outings, etc. To my knowledge, nobody in our chapter gets paid. As for the cycling article: if their data are correct, then I'm surprised by the number of cyclists who drink and ride. I'm comfortable on public roads -- alert, but comfortable -- but there's no way I'd go out there with a couple of beers in me. The night riding statistic doesn't surprise me so much -- without proper reflection/lighting we can be damned hard to see. It's worth taking note even if the rest of the article is screwy. JR |
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On 5 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "SlowRider"
wrote: Matt O'Toole wrote: The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. I hate the Sierra Club. They exist mostly for the benefit of the people on their payroll. If it's not to line their pockets, it's to feather their caps. You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same. I've been a Sierra Club member for about 10 years. The chapter I belong to has a few flakes, but our membership is predominantly scientists, engineers and teachers. Our chapter is involved with our community: we pick up trash at local parks; we help the county plant trees for erosion control; we sponsor film festivals and lectures; we organize outings, etc. To my knowledge, nobody in our chapter gets paid. As for the cycling article: if their data are correct, then I'm surprised by the number of cyclists who drink and ride. I'm comfortable on public roads -- alert, but comfortable -- but there's no way I'd go out there with a couple of beers in me. The night riding statistic doesn't surprise me so much -- without proper reflection/lighting we can be damned hard to see. It's worth taking note even if the rest of the article is screwy. JR It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer testing is required for a bike rider. |
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dgk wrote: On 5 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "SlowRider" wrote: Matt O'Toole wrote: The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. I hate the Sierra Club. They exist mostly for the benefit of the people on their payroll. If it's not to line their pockets, it's to feather their caps. You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same. I've been a Sierra Club member for about 10 years. The chapter I belong to has a few flakes, but our membership is predominantly scientists, engineers and teachers. Our chapter is involved with our community: we pick up trash at local parks; we help the county plant trees for erosion control; we sponsor film festivals and lectures; we organize outings, etc. To my knowledge, nobody in our chapter gets paid. As for the cycling article: if their data are correct, then I'm surprised by the number of cyclists who drink and ride. I'm comfortable on public roads -- alert, but comfortable -- but there's no way I'd go out there with a couple of beers in me. The night riding statistic doesn't surprise me so much -- without proper reflection/lighting we can be damned hard to see. It's worth taking note even if the rest of the article is screwy. JR It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer testing is required for a bike rider. Actually I'm struck by the very low number of cycling deaths. ~700 is really a pretty small number considering the number of cyclist miles per year. Here in Tucson we have several cyclist deaths per year. It seems to split evenly between recreational cyclists getting sideswipped by agressive motorists and folks just out on bikes, often in the night without lights. Last week we had a particularly grisly episode in which a cyclist was riding on the shoulder of I-10 at night without lights and got hit by several vehicles. The body was so ripped up that it took two days to determine its gender! Even I, who always wears a helmet, would concede that a helmet would not have been of much use. But lights and some judgement - (there is a frontage road along that section of the interstate) As to the Sierra Club, I was a member for several years but was put off by the constant fund raising appeals- Imean really constant. |
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SlowRider wrote:
snip You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same. Well stated. One poorly written, article in Sierra, shouldn't make the club into some sort of ogre. They do some good work, and g-d knows there needs to be someone countering Bush's wholesale attack on the environment. One misinformed individual shouldn’t make the whole club bad. It's too bad Schildgen didn't run that article by some cyclists prior to submitting it, but I fault the editor of Sierra for allowing it in, more than I fault the author. I was in the Sierra Club for many years, primarily for the activity sections (skiing, cycling, singles). There were plenty of flakes in the club, especially in the chapter that covered Oakland, San Francisco, Marin, and Berkeley (Bay Chapter), but that shouldn't reflect on the whole club, as every organization has its flakes. I was impressed to see that the Sierra Club has beaten back the various side-issue factions (immigration, animal rights, hunting, gun-control), and was able to stay focused on environmental issues. Those people that are so concerned about these other issues can join NPG, PETA, and Handgun Control Inc., to promote these causes, if they so desire. The hunting faction of the NRA is often allied with the Sierra Club, not an enemy. |
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Steven M. Scharf Wrote: SlowRider wrote: snip You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same. I currently live with a member, and I can attest that some are not all together, if you catch my drift. I have nothing against the organization in general other than it has backed or instigated a great deal of anti mountain bike in the name of environment lawsuits that cost IMBA big hassles and big buck. Claiming that a couple of 2,000 lb pointy hoofed horses is environmentally 'freindly'. Such illogic irks me. -- Conniebiker |
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In article , sonicechoes-
says... It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer testing is required for a bike rider. Bicycling while intoxicated is illegal, so breath tests can be used, but I doubt they're as rigorous about it as they are with car accidents. Still, the numbers aren't at all surprising -- people here might not call them "cyclists," but many people who lose their licenses after repeated DUIs will then ride a bicycle to the bar or the liquor store instead. -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers: http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html |
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