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Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT
Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires 3.22 mm. Thanks. |
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Gabriele R wrote:
Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) It's the black one; .127" across flats. All DT, Sapim, and Wheelsmith spoke nipples for 2.0mm and thinner spokes use the black wrench. Chalo |
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On 22 Oct, 06:11, Gabriele R wrote:
Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires 3.22 mm. Thanks. In practice a 0.130" three cornered nipple key works very well. I wont measure a nipple (I suspect they are smaller) because the information you would gain would be from a 20 year old (possibly more) supply. If the nipple key fits tight, you may become frustrated at the amount of time it takes to engage and disengage. You could get a tighter 0.127" slotted key, smooth it off and round the engagement edges. I think this undersize (0.127) nipple flats is there to promote speed with a standard 130 key. In this way they never jam in the nipple key. The DT nipples are consistent and the standard european, 130 key will work fine. The regular slotted horseshoe key I may use is a green one on all european nipples. I have used a red horshoe key, this was large on the DT nipples but good for others. |
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On Oct 21, 11:30*pm, Chalo wrote:
Gabriele R wrote: Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) It's the black one; .127" across flats. All DT, Sapim, and Wheelsmith spoke nipples for 2.0mm and thinner spokes use the black wrench. Chalo What he said. Don't use a too large one or rounded nipples are a result. Right tool for the job. |
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On Oct 22, 12:57*am, thirty-six wrote:
On 22 Oct, 06:11, Gabriele R wrote: Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires 3.22 mm. Thanks. In practice a 0.130" *three cornered nipple key works very well. *I wont measure a nipple (I suspect they are smaller) because the information you would gain would be from a 20 year old (possibly more) supply. *If the nipple key fits tight, you may become frustrated at the amount of time it takes to engage and disengage. * Or you may not. For those of us that builds wheels all the time and trues wheels all the time, the black wrench from Park or a DT one of a Var one is the correct size. You could get a tighter 0.127" slotted key, smooth it off and round the engagement edges. *I think this undersize (0.127) nipple flats is there to promote speed with a standard 130 key. Even for those of us that build many wheels during the year, speed is not a consideration. Accuracy is and rounded nipples are no fun. *In this way they never jam in the nipple key. *The DT nipples are consistent and the standard european, 130 key will work fine. *The regular slotted horseshoe key I may use is a green one on all european nipples. *I have used a red horshoe key, this was large on the DT nipples but good for others. |
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Il 22/10/2009 14.44, Qui si parla Campagnolo ha scritto:
It's the black one; .127" across flats. .... Chalo What he said. Don't use a too large one or rounded nipples are a result. Right tool for the job. Roger, loud and clear. My little experience proves such a statement and - as non professional - time consuming is not a problem. Thanks |
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On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 22, 12:57*am, thirty-six wrote: On 22 Oct, 06:11, Gabriele R wrote: Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT Swiss Competition DB? 1)0.127 (3.22 mm) 2) 0.130 (3.3 mm) 3) 0.136 (3.42 mm) Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires 3.22 mm. Thanks. In practice a 0.130" *three cornered nipple key works very well. *I wont measure a nipple (I suspect they are smaller) because the information you would gain would be from a 20 year old (possibly more) supply. *If the nipple key fits tight, you may become frustrated at the amount of time it takes to engage and disengage. * Or you may not. For those of us that builds wheels all the time and trues wheels all the time, the black wrench from Park or a DT one of a Var one is the correct size. You could get a tighter 0.127" slotted key, smooth it off and round the engagement edges. *I think this undersize (0.127) nipple flats is there to promote speed with a standard 130 key. Even for those of us that build many wheels during the year, speed is not a consideration. Accuracy is and rounded nipples are no fun. 0.130" to 0.127" Less than a fag paper difference. This difference in clearance does not damage nipples. If you're rounding nipples you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the nipples. An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European nipples in regular bicycle gauges. I used the red Spokey to build over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. I used it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. I may even have a black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130"). I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three cornered key. mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. Sort of a good cue to remind oneself which wheel needs checking. |
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On Oct 22, 5:05*pm, thirty-six wrote:
On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: 0.130" to 0.127" *Less than a fag paper difference. *This difference in clearance does not damage nipples. *If you're rounding nipples you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the nipples. *An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European nipples in regular bicycle gauges. *I used the red Spokey to build over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. *I used it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. * *I may even have a black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130"). I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three cornered key. *mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. * *Sort of a good cue to remind oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples. The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but that's it. My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I rarely suffer a rounded nipple. |
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On Oct 23, 10:37*am, Johan Bornman wrote:
On Oct 22, 5:05*pm, thirty-six wrote: On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: 0.130" to 0.127" *Less than a fag paper difference. *This difference in clearance does not damage nipples. *If you're rounding nipples you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the nipples. *An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European nipples in regular bicycle gauges. *I used the red Spokey to build over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. *I used it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. * *I may even have a black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130"). I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three cornered key. *mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. * *Sort of a good cue to remind oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples. The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but that's it. My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I rarely suffer a rounded nipple. Beating this horse but I have a new Park and Pedros spoke wrenchs in my hand, a red, green and black. I am also building a wheel right now, 14/15 spokes, 105 hub, Mavic OpenSport and I donno, the black spoke wrenches fit just fine(brass nipps), the red and green ones are pretty sloppy... For ALU nipps I use a DT 3 sided or the new Park 3 sided..holds onto the nipp really well and is much slower to get on, 3 sided wise but speed means nada, IMHO, of course. |
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On 23 Oct, 18:55, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:37*am, Johan Bornman wrote: On Oct 22, 5:05*pm, thirty-six wrote: On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: 0.130" to 0.127" *Less than a fag paper difference. *This difference in clearance does not damage nipples. *If you're rounding nipples you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the nipples. *An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European nipples in regular bicycle gauges. *I used the red Spokey to build over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. *I used it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. * *I may even have a black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130"). I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three cornered key. *mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. * *Sort of a good cue to remind oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples. The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but that's it. My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I rarely suffer a rounded nipple. Beating this horse but I have a new Park and Pedros spoke wrenchs in my hand, a red, green and black. I am also building a wheel right now, 14/15 spokes, 105 hub, Mavic OpenSport and I donno, the black spoke wrenches fit just fine(brass nipps), the red and green ones are pretty sloppy... For ALU nipps I use a DT 3 sided or the new Park 3 sided..holds onto the nipp really well and is much slower to get on, 3 sided wise but speed means nada, IMHO, of course. Your opinion may change after using this one: http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks like a speed killer. http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg |
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