Somebody mail the Page Family a copy of the U.S. Constitution

On Dec 28, 7:13*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

...I just wondered why you felt
the need to call out Ben but not Magilla for saying essentially the same
thing (that at some point moving from verbal to physical confrontation
can be acceptable).

It is always acceptable at Starbucks.

"Paul G." wrote:

On Dec 29, 1:47*am, Donald Munro wrote:
wrote:
This is also why Usenet arguments go on as long as they do.

At least there aren't any virtual Sachs bikes around to trample on.

Heh heh! Yeah, and notice how real fights are over in seconds and
these drag on forever?
-Paul

I think you're forgetting about the court hearings and civil lawsuits
that follow many 'real' fights. And then there's the felony conviction
and jail, along with a future of employment limited to fast food
restaurants.

Magilla

"Paul G." wrote:

On Dec 28, 9:29Ýpm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:32?pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

The legal threshold to justify an act of self defense is reasonable perception
that you will be assaulted. ?When Page's brother in law came up to the
heckler, he believed it was to start a fight. ?So he defended himself. ?It was
a defensive act when viewed in context.

That's a lie, and you're a liar. The video is clear. McAnus wasn't
defending himself, he was attacking and pursuing Book. And the pee-
stained coward McAnus had help, two against one. ÝOnly another pussy
would take McAnus's side in this.

-Paul

The video is incomplete and the confrontation started off camera. ÝWade Book
confronted Cale McAninch. ÝThat was 99% of how the fight started right there.

Nonsense. McAnus was drunk and disorderly. That was 99% of how the
fight started right there.
-Paul

Oh really - then how come none of the other fans besides those from the Manson Family
got into a fight over it? If the Page family never came to nationals there would have
been no fight. Cale McAninch is a racer and probably does this at all the events he
goes to.

God is going to suspend Page for a year now.

Thanks,

Magilla

Bill C wrote:

On Dec 29, 12:18Ýam, "Sandy" wrote:
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Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 26, 12:15 am, MagillaGorilla
wrote:
Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 25, 11:55 pm, MagillaGorilla

Just something to think about below. ÝIt sure makes the quasi-law discussion
much less important. ÝAnd Press may even appreciate it. ÝIt's the basis of
how technical stuff gets into being.

"Manners are of more importance than laws.
Upon them, in a great measure, the laws depend.
Manners are what vex or soothe,
corrupt or purify, exalt or debase,
barbarize or refine us, by a constant,
steady, uniform, insensible operation,
like that of the air we breathe in."

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Sandy, You and Carl are decent civilized human beings who realize that
to get respect you have to give some. Unfortunately a huge portion of
America in particular thinks Jackass, and Lenny Bruce, on stage, are
perfect models for full time behavior and interaction with others.

What does having respect for someone and allowing comedians to perform their
trade have to do with each other? I bet you had Johnny Knoxville been at
nationals instead of Wade Book, there would have been no fight and Dicky Sachs
bikes would be fine.







Vulgarity, volume, and personal attacks lose most or all of their
impact when they become the standard.

It's called free speech. Howard Stern not only disagrees with you, he doesn't
give a ****.






O'Grady understands this well,
as is evidenced by his current commentary.

O'Grady is an idiot in his commentary on this issue because he tries to equate a
fan who heckles an athlete as someone who has no respect for the athlete and
therefore MUST show respect or suffer a physical assault. Heckling is not the
problem. The problem is when you have fans getting in the face of other fans and
telling them how to cheer and who to cheer for. That's not only ****ing gay, but
it's being a trouble-maker.

You sound like you sit at home and watch george Carlin on TV and get angry that
he doesn't show any respect for others. What the **** is up with that?





Bill C
Magilla's case using other sports doesn't hold water because they
practice SERIOUS crowd/people control and when and how they are
allowed to heckle. Arrests, ejections, stripping of season tickets
with no compensation are all way up in the last few years in both the
NFL, and MLB for improper fan behavior.

Funny, I didn't see any security telling the hecklers on any of those YouTube
clips to stop, and the heckling on all those videos was far worse than what Page
endured at nationals. You need to go to college and start paying attention to
facts and logic.

This was a very sloppy post on your part. I suggest you clean up your act or
pack your bags.


Thanks,


Magilla

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:09:28 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:

Fan-on-fan interaction is completely different and
always wrong and inappropriate
behavior.

No way. If someone can't take it they shouldn't dish it.

Here's the problem with that logic. When a fan heckles an athlete,
there's always a geographical boundary that cannot be passed. That
knowledge makes heckling absolutely safe and nothing but a head game.
Athletes are paid millions of dollars to hear the cheers as well as the
boos. It's hardly this horrific experience as you people make it out to
be. Most professional athletes think the jeers are funny.

It's hilarious to me how you people are more upset about someone booing
an athlete than the athlete is himself. it appears to be part of a
vicarious mentality that you are going to defend the professional
athlete. It's a stalker's mentality really.

However when a fan decides to heckle another fan, there is no such
physically boundary and many end in fights.

Also, you can be charged for harassment at most stadiums for heckling
another fan because that fan has not done anything to you and they have
the right to enjoy the game and cheer/boo as they please. Wheras, there
is no similar expectation for an athlete to be free of same.



Magilla

On Dec 29, 12:28*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 28, 9:29Ýpm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:32?pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

The legal threshold to justify an act of self defense is reasonable perception
that you will be assaulted. ?When Page's brother in law came up to the
heckler, he believed it was to start a fight. ?So he defended himself. ?It was
a defensive act when viewed in context.

That's a lie, and you're a liar. The video is clear. McAnus wasn't
defending himself, he was attacking and pursuing Book. And the pee-
stained coward McAnus had help, two against one. ÝOnly another pussy
would take McAnus's side in this.

-Paul

The video is incomplete and the confrontation started off camera. ÝWade Book
confronted Cale McAninch. ÝThat was 99% of how the fight started right there.

Nonsense. McAnus was drunk and disorderly. That was 99% of how the
fight started right there.
-Paul

Oh really - then how come none of the other fans besides those from the Manson Family
got into a fight over it? *If the Page family never came to nationals there would have
been no fight. *Cale McAninch is a racer and probably does this at all the events he
goes to.

I wonder how the sponsors of McAnus's team feel about all this? He's
also said to be a school teacher. I wonder how the school board knows
about his antics. He may not be doing much racing any more.
-Paul

On Dec 29, 12:53*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:


It's hilarious to me how you people are more upset about someone booing
an athlete than the athlete is himself.

I've said over and over that this is not about the heckling. It's
about the assault and property damage. You continue to make this
strawman argument about the heckling. You've lost again. Get over it.
-Paul

"Paul G." wrote:

On Dec 29, 12:53*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:


It's hilarious to me how you people are more upset about someone booing
an athlete than the athlete is himself.

I've said over and over that this is not about the heckling. It's
about the assault and property damage. You continue to make this
strawman argument about the heckling. You've lost again. Get over it.
-Paul

Heckling doesn't cause assaults and property damage. That is caused by
people who want to stop hecklers. People who should really mind their own
****ing business and stop telling other fans how they should and shouldn't
act.

You have no right to harass others fans when you go to a sporting event.
Fans however, do have a right to harass the players.

Magilla

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
It is always acceptable at Starbucks.

SOTS: Back in purple.

Paul G. wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:28 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 28, 9:29Ýpm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 28, 7:32?pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
The legal threshold to justify an act of self defense is reasonable perception
that you will be assaulted. ?When Page's brother in law came up to the
heckler, he believed it was to start a fight. ?So he defended himself. ?It was
a defensive act when viewed in context.
That's a lie, and you're a liar. The video is clear. McAnus wasn't
defending himself, he was attacking and pursuing Book. And the pee-
stained coward McAnus had help, two against one. ÝOnly another pussy
would take McAnus's side in this.
-Paul
The video is incomplete and the confrontation started off camera. ÝWade Book
confronted Cale McAninch. ÝThat was 99% of how the fight started right there.
Nonsense. McAnus was drunk and disorderly. That was 99% of how the
fight started right there.
-Paul
Oh really - then how come none of the other fans besides those from the Manson Family
got into a fight over it? If the Page family never came to nationals there would have
been no fight. Cale McAninch is a racer and probably does this at all the events he
goes to.

I wonder how the sponsors of McAnus's team feel about all this? He's
also said to be a school teacher. I wonder how the school board knows
about his antics. He may not be doing much racing any more.
-Paul

I really hope it doesn't go that far.