Cadel on Australian drivers

EuanB wrote:
AndrewJ Wrote:
I'm afraid this is in support of my position: that cars and bicycles
can't really co-exist and that what we need are high quality roadways
dedicated specifically
to bicycles. I'm in the education business, and I frankly don't think
that
your average yobbo is educable.

The balance of the available evidence suggests your position is wrong.
For example France has narrower roads, very little in the way of cycling
infrastructure and over there ridinig a bicycle is safer than driving a
car.

My experience with seperated facilities in and around Melbourne have
been overwhelmingly negative compared to the road.


Concur. Old Australian philosophy: Get Off The Road Ya Mug. This is
precisely what idiot motorists, politicians and many road engineers want
us to do. Stand your ground, which is legally and morally ON the road.
Cheers,
Ray

In aus.bicycle on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:02:10 +1100
ray wrote:
Concur. Old Australian philosophy: Get Off The Road Ya Mug. This is
precisely what idiot motorists, politicians and many road engineers want
us to do. Stand your ground, which is legally and morally ON the road.

what I don't understand is why on one kind of shared path the slower
more vulnerable but more manouverable user (cyclists) must be second
best to the faster more dangerous user (cares) but on another kind,
the slower and more vulnerable but more manouverable user (pedestrians)
have right of way over the faster user (cyclists).

Zebee

"AndrewJ" wrote:

I'm afraid this is in support of my position: that cars and bicycles
can't really co-exist and that what we need are high quality roadways
dedicated specifically
to bicycles.

Fantasyland

I'm in the education business, and I frankly don't think
that
your average yobbo is educable.

They manage to educate them in the cities of Europe. Just requires a few
legal changes, and a structure of enforcement.


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Peter

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Zebee Johnstone wrote:
In aus.bicycle on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:02:10 +1100
ray wrote:
Concur. Old Australian philosophy: Get Off The Road Ya Mug. This is
precisely what idiot motorists, politicians and many road engineers want
us to do. Stand your ground, which is legally and morally ON the road.

what I don't understand is why on one kind of shared path the slower
more vulnerable but more manouverable user (cyclists) must be second
best to the faster more dangerous user (cares) but on another kind,
the slower and more vulnerable but more manouverable user (pedestrians)
have right of way over the faster user (cyclists).

Zebee

I've used this irony on people arguing against bikes on paths and roads.
It usually goes like this: "bikes should keep to the extreme left
to avoid getting in the way of cars". Later it'll be "bikes need to
slow down on shared paths - it is their responsibility to avoid
pedestrians." I then ask the question "is it a coincidence that for
your two preferred modes of transport it is the other users who should
be looking out for you?" Always goes down a treat.

DeF

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"Zebee Johnstone" wrote:

what I don't understand is why on one kind of shared path the slower
more vulnerable but more manouverable user (cyclists) must be second
best to the faster more dangerous user (cares) but on another kind,
the slower and more vulnerable but more manouverable user (pedestrians)
have right of way over the faster user (cyclists).

Majority rules

'Everyone' is a pedestrian

'Everyone' is a car driver

Cyclists get shafted - onto the B-team for them! Just behind taxi drivers
and real estate agents

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Cheers
Peter

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PeteSig Wrote:


Majority rules

'Everyone' is a pedestrian

'Everyone' is a car driver

Cyclists get shafted - onto the B-team for them! Just behind taxi
drivers
and real estate agents

Not unless you reside in Sydney, there's a new pecking order being
developed while you wait.

http://tinyurl.com/22bxtn

You have to marvel at the way this petulant child deeply obsesses over
the comments to his story.


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cfsmtb

On Jan 7, 10:27 am, John Tserkezis
wrote:
AndrewJ wrote:
"THERE is nowhere on Earth that Cadel Evans feel less safe on his bike
than here at home."
www.theage.com.au today.
If you're a believer in Karma, then Australian drivers are headed for
a troublesome future.

Fat chance. Here, driving is a right, not a privilege. And until that
changes, we will continue to have people kill themselves and others while
thinking they have enough right to drive.

Changing laws to protect the innocent and penalise the guilty is really easy
to implement, but doesn't actually do anything useful other than make money
for GovCo and perhaps earn brownie points for politicians.

Changing driver attitude is arguably more effective, but impossible to
implement, so let's not do that.

Australian drivers are not headed for a troublesome future, because nothing
will change. They won't even realise they're killing themselves, because
GovCo has over umpteen years conditioned them to think that speeding alone is
the only one reason that anyone dies on the roads.

Their wallets will force them off the road soon enough.
Things *are* changing.

http://www.aboc.com.au/Members/carl/...PriceTrend.gif

On 2008-01-08, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
On Jan 7, 10:27 am, John Tserkezis
wrote:
Australian drivers are not headed for a troublesome future, because nothing
will change. They won't even realise they're killing themselves, because
GovCo has over umpteen years conditioned them to think that speeding alone is
the only one reason that anyone dies on the roads.

Their wallets will force them off the road soon enough.
Things *are* changing.

http://www.aboc.com.au/Members/carl/...PriceTrend.gif

I'm a vengeful *******, laughing at this:

http://business.smh.com.au/double-or...0107-1kna.html

I reckon Qantas should charge a staff tax, then they can reduce ticket
prices even further! How 'bout a plane tax? A technician tax?:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/travel...554571356.html

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TimC
Ken Thompson claims that he started developing Unix so he could play
Space War, but the end product shows he was really much more interested
in cheating at Scrabble. --Steve VanDevender

PeteSig wrote:

Majority rules

'Everyone' is a pedestrian

'Everyone' is a car driver

Really?
Based on bicycle sales verses car sales, the more correct statement is
"Everyone is a bicycle rider".

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:00:53 +1100
Terryc wrote:
PeteSig wrote:

Majority rules

'Everyone' is a pedestrian

'Everyone' is a car driver

Really?
Based on bicycle sales verses car sales, the more correct statement is
"Everyone is a bicycle rider".

No. "Everyone is a bicycle buyer".

You can't deduce more than that.

Zebee