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"Roger Thorpe" wrote in message
... Pete-the -Bike wrote: I am puzzled by the personal insults people seem to send each other in this group. Surely such groups are for information exchange It used to be that, and sometimes it still is. Unfortunately some posters here don't ride bikes at all, but enjoy winding people up, provoking arguments and arguing over semantics. Others have pet issues which ought not to matter, but since the only cyclists (including me)left here have become argumentative then it does seem to. It's a disparate group, so please don't judge us all by the behaviour of some. Frankly we need more posters like you. Seconded. Avoid the trolls (they seem to be increasing again, though I'd hoped the sunny weather would mean they could find something better to do with their time), and there is secretly some content among the gibberish. I've been kill-filing a lot more recently, which has helped - I don't get annoyed by the inane outpourings, and I don't get tempted to reply. As for your gesture, it seems to me that it may communicate a useful message to the driver or it may antagonise them. It's a dilemma that we've all been in and there's no way to predict which way it will go, but I do think that you were extremely unlucky and probably have the sympathy of the cyclists here and some of the others too. I'd assigned the attack on Simon (couple of weeks ago, google groups for Simon Brooke) to being a symptom of ned-ville, but yours was rather more remote. That said, I did have an coke can or bottle (can't remember, it was a few years ago) thrown at me by some numpty annoyed at me riding along in rural Scotland. |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:17:08 +0100, "mileburner"
wrote: "James" wrote in message ... Yesterday, a driver of a Volvo estate overtook me just before turning left, causing me to "snatch-up". I, too, gave a non-offensive gesture (wave of arm). First he slowed down in front of me and was looking over his shoulder. After a few minutes, he's alongside me again (must have turned around somewhere), deliberately squeezing me into the curb, Frightened for my life, I took a turning left (lucky for me was just 20 yards away). Take primary position past junctions even if you are turning left anyway. It stops this from happening as they cannot pass if you are in the centre of lane. This manoeuvre is covered in Cyclecraft. Yes that's right - block other traffic whilst you saunter past at 5 mph "This manoeuvre is covered in Cyclecraft." - so what? -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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On 20 Apr, 14:45, "Clive George" wrote:
"Roger Thorpe" wrote in message Seconded. Avoid the trolls (they seem to be increasing again, though I'd hoped the sunny weather would mean they could find something better to do with their time) What makes you think it would be something better? |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:06:43 +0100, Roger Thorpe
wrote: She has already been told that her antics are likely to turn the group to rat-**** (a prediction - not a threat) but she has chosen to ignore. That's a huge steaming great pile of hypocrisy which is beneath even you. Oh I don't know, we've seen by now that there's not much which is beneath judith. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/urc | http://www.nohelmetlaw.org.uk/ "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken Newsgroup may contain nuts. |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:13:23 -0700 (PDT), Pete-the -Bike
wrote: For the sake of clarity I will answer these questions as clearly as I can What was the gesture? After he had overtaken me I moved my right hand from left to right to indicate that he was too close and should have given me more room, he blasted his horn so I repeated the movement. Even if I had given him the full fingers and shouted obscenities there was no justification for his actions. How much of the road were you taking up? The amount of room a cyclist normally takes up. Maybe you are asking my positioning on the road. Although a B road it is narrow, in places there is only just room for vehicles to pass each other. I was cycling on the left close to the grass verge. Did you know he was there and wanted to pass? The road was quiet, as they all are up here in Scotalnd and I was aware there were occasional cars passing me, I am don't think I held him up. Even if I did it is not unreasonable to expect a motorist to wait a few seconds until it is safe to pass a cyclist. This route is after all part of the National Cycle Network, it would be nice to think cyclist using this route might be treated with a bit of courtesy (respect is probably too much to hope for). Could you have moved over to the left a bit? NO I am puzzled by the personal insults people seem to send each other in this group. Surely such groups are for information exchange Thank you - for your sensible answers - they do explain the circumstances more clearly - as you say information exchange. Many people here think that posters are here by invitation only. If you come in here and ask difficult questions then you must be a troll. -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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"Roger Thorpe" wrote in message ... Pete-the -Bike wrote: As for your gesture, it seems to me that it may communicate a useful message to the driver or it may antagonise them. It's a dilemma that we've all been in and there's no way to predict which way it will go, but I do think that you were extremely unlucky and probably have the sympathy of the cyclists here and some of the others too. I suspect that any gesture that a cyclist gives an aggressive driver, however innocent it might be, is likely to be interpreted as aggression. The best thing is to ignore them, not gesture anything unless you actually want the driver to stop for a fight. There is as much point in telling them anything, as there is in trying to explain to Judith about good road positioning. If they were reasonable people, they would have given more space anyway. |
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In article , Clive George wrote:
Avoid the trolls (they seem to be increasing again, though I'd hoped the sunny weather would mean they could find something better to do with their time) Well, it's not as if they would be off cycling.... We had a fun family ride in Thetford Forest yesterday, which was very pleasant in the sunshine. (The dog was quite pleased there was a pond to cool off in half way round.) I need to acquire some basic off-road skills though, if we're going to try the black track again (we didn't all). |
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Alan Braggins twisted the electrons to say:
I need to acquire some basic off-road skills though, if we're going to try the black track again (we didn't all). nods Seeing as how I'm now living in the mountains, I decided that actually having a mountain bike might be a good idea. Then I got all over enthusiastic beyond my skill level, and thus won't be using it for about 3-4 weeks whilst I wait for the healing process to end! :-( -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:08:07 +0100, "mileburner"
wrote: "Roger Thorpe" wrote in message ... Pete-the -Bike wrote: As for your gesture, it seems to me that it may communicate a useful message to the driver or it may antagonise them. It's a dilemma that we've all been in and there's no way to predict which way it will go, but I do think that you were extremely unlucky and probably have the sympathy of the cyclists here and some of the others too. I suspect that any gesture that a cyclist gives an aggressive driver, however innocent it might be, is likely to be interpreted as aggression. The best thing is to ignore them, not gesture anything unless you actually want the driver to stop for a fight. There is as much point in telling them anything, as there is in trying to explain to Judith about good road positioning. If they were reasonable people, they would have given more space anyway. I do in fact understand about road positioning: "The closer a driver is to the cyclist, the greater chance of a collision." "Drivers passed closer to the rider the further out into the road he was." Therefore - keep well to the left. -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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Light of Aria wrote:
"Pete-the -Bike" wrote in message ... I hope this tale will encourage other cyclists to consider how they will respond if they find themselves in a similar situation to the one I encountered last week. I was assaulted by a motorist on the B970, near Aviemore, about 1.7 miles south-west of Inverdruie. I got away lightly, though badly shaken, with only cuts & bruises. I have reported the incident to the police. Looking back over what happened, I have drawn two conclusions: 1. When he passed me (very close) I made what I considered to be a ‘non-offensive’ gesture, but, with hindsight, I can see that I shouldn’t have made any sort of gesture; as long as you are still upright there is no point. At best it will achieve nothing; at worst it could lead to assault, injury, or worse. 2. When he stopped his car, got out, and stood in the middle of the road, why on earth did I stupidly think I could safely cycle past him? At that point I should have stopped and waited, ready for a rapid turn around if approached. If anyone stops and waits for you, keep your distance (unless you are big, strong, and young or there are more than one of you!) Although well aware of this sort of thing happening to others in other parts of the country, it never crossed my mind that it might happen here and to me. At my age and with my long cycling experience I should have known better. I'm sorry to hear this. Peace and "chill-out" is the best for everyone. I'm sorry to hear this as well. I was planning a summer break in Aviemore intending to bring the Birdy with me. |
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