Adventure Cycling Maps SUCK!

I've not been on any over-night tours, sure.

Do I need to get burned before I say Acme-brand fire extinguishers
suck?

I'll be riding to Philly from NYC later this year. Next year, to DC
and, depending, Florida.

I'll be on my way soon enough. Just thought these Adventure Cycling
maps were a big deal.

They're just the only deal going, is all.



R Brickston wrote:


You gave yourself away; you've never been on a real bike trip.

Edward Dolan wrote:


A real bike trip is only 50% enjoyment. The other 50% is pure aggravation.

Hehe, no wonder they don't mind 3x4-inch map panels!

This is why tourists pay the big bucks to others to look after them. No one
should ever go on a bike trip unless you have a sense of adventure.

That's me! I'm up for adventure...intelligent adventure...was hoping
these AC maps would help in that regard...as it is, they're better than
nothing -- but gosh, that's a pretty low standard....

It is
mostly something that only a young person should do. By the time you are my
age you are permanently ****ed off at just about everything and are no
longer fit for travel of any kind.

Who'd ever have thought Saint Ed was actually the original hell on
wheels!

All you need is a fine young female thing to ride...with you! She'll
make the stars seem bright as fireworks at night, and make them appear
like multiple suns during the day! May I suggest a latina? I have the
map to their hearts....

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

NYC XYZ wrote:
All you need is a fine young female thing to ride...with you! She'll
make the stars seem bright as fireworks at night, and make them appear
like multiple suns during the day! May I suggest a latina? I have the
map to their hearts....

But is it waterproof?

--
Steven O'Neill
Brooklyn, NY

Steven M. O'Neill wrote:


But is it waterproof?

--
Steven O'Neill
Brooklyn, NY


It's foolproof! Treat a queen like a whore and a whore like a
queen....

Oh, here's another helpful thing for her on long journeys:


http://www.exalte.com/SexToysArticle/151

"NYC XYZ" wrote
I'm up for adventure...intelligent adventure...was hoping
these AC maps would help in that regard...as it is, they're better than
nothing -- but gosh, that's a pretty low standard....

Consider the AC maps as route research, and one data point.
If you like their routes, or parts of them, but not their map format,
buy or print maps in the format you like and plan the route
yourself.

For other data points, and route suggestions, join a bicycle touring
mailing list or discussion group. Search or browse the archives at

http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring

Check out:

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com

If you're interested in recumbent-specific touring issues, there
are a number of recumbent tour reports there. There's also
a touring message board at:

http://www.bentrideronline.com

Here's a cyclist riding a HP Velo Street Machine GTe down the
California coast.

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...ad.php?t=21162

Jon Meinecke

Many, many thanks. I know about all those resources, but I appreciate
your collecting them together in one post for posterity. I'd only
imagined that AC maps would "have it all" since they've been around so
long -- but I guess the reigning philosophy behind them is "if it ain't
broke, don't fix it." As it is, they are but one more resource. I
just assumed too much about them.

The HP Velo SMGTe, as per your last link, is a great 'bent, however --
just about what I'd imagined! Very glad to hear they fit on bus
bike-racks out front.


Thanks again.



Jon Meinecke wrote:
"NYC XYZ" wrote
I'm up for adventure...intelligent adventure...was hoping
these AC maps would help in that regard...as it is, they're better than
nothing -- but gosh, that's a pretty low standard....

Consider the AC maps as route research, and one data point.
If you like their routes, or parts of them, but not their map format,
buy or print maps in the format you like and plan the route
yourself.

For other data points, and route suggestions, join a bicycle touring
mailing list or discussion group. Search or browse the archives at

http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring

Check out:

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com

If you're interested in recumbent-specific touring issues, there
are a number of recumbent tour reports there. There's also
a touring message board at:

http://www.bentrideronline.com

Here's a cyclist riding a HP Velo Street Machine GTe down the
California coast.

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messa...ad.php?t=21162

Jon Meinecke

On 18 Aug 2006 07:50:52 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:


I've not been on any over-night tours, sure.

Do I need to get burned before I say Acme-brand fire extinguishers
suck?

I'll be riding to Philly from NYC later this year. Next year, to DC
and, depending, Florida.

I doubt then that you'll be "just remember[ing] key junctions and
turns."

my time looking around

I'll be on my way soon enough. Just thought these Adventure Cycling
maps were a big deal.

They're just the only deal going, is all.



R Brickston wrote:


You gave yourself away; you've never been on a real bike trip.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:53:31 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:


"R Brickston" rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ wrote in message
.. .
On 17 Aug 2006 14:03:08 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:
[...]
That's another thing -- you people actually mount a goddamned map on
your handlebars. Me, I just remember key junctions and turns. Spend
my time looking around, you know?

You gave yourself away; you've never been on a real bike trip.

A real bike trip is only 50% enjoyment. The other 50% is pure aggravation.

True for some, but with experience you can cut that aggravation down
to 10 or 20%. Most of this reduction, at least in my case, comes down
to reducing what you carry, having the proper equipment and
researching the trip before you hit the road.

This is why tourists pay the big bucks to others to look after them. No one
should ever go on a bike trip unless you have a sense of adventure. It is
mostly something that only a young person should do. By the time you are my
age you are permanently ****ed off at just about everything and are no
longer fit for travel of any kind.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

R Brickston wrote:


I doubt then that you'll be "just remember[ing] key junctions and
turns."


I have a good memory. I study the route beforehand. I even scour the
web for pictures! That's what I'm currently doing, reading up on
others' similar rides, then checking out their routes, then looking for
images of the locales, especially critical junctions and turns.

Also, I must say, I don't mind getting a bit lost. At least during my
one-day trips (which can be as long as fifteen hours) -- I know of the
main route, and bear in mind that it's on my right, say, and just kinda
zig-zag along as desired. I've never understood cue sheets and other
such items on the handlebar. Except a really well-programmed GPS
system, I don't see how people spend their time consulting the map.

It's supposed to be an adventure! Just remember the critical stuff --
the dead-ends and such -- but otherwise, you really can't get "lost."

On 18 Aug 2006 12:07:16 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:


I doubt then that you'll be "just remember[ing] key junctions and
turns."


I have a good memory. I study the route beforehand. I even scour the
web for pictures! That's what I'm currently doing, reading up on
others' similar rides, then checking out their routes, then looking for
images of the locales, especially critical junctions and turns.

Also, I must say, I don't mind getting a bit lost. At least during my
one-day trips (which can be as long as fifteen hours) -- I know of the
main route, and bear in mind that it's on my right, say, and just kinda
zig-zag along as desired. I've never understood cue sheets and other
such items on the handlebar. Except a really well-programmed GPS
system, I don't see how people spend their time consulting the map.

It's supposed to be an adventure! Just remember the critical stuff --
the dead-ends and such -- but otherwise, you really can't get "lost."

How could you possibly know any of what you need to do or not to do?
By your own admission, you've never been on a long range bicycle tour.