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Old October 2nd 09, 03:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bob Schwartz[_3_]
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/usa...tage-2/results

"The Trek-Livestrong squad of Taylor Phinney, Ian Moir, Julian Kyer and
Justin Williams dominated the men's team pursuit contest, taking the
Stars and Stripes by nearly 10 seconds. With a time of 4:25.83, such a
dominant performance by a group of young men all under the age of 21
bodes well for the future of American track cycling."

If they were to knock 10 seconds off that time, they would still place
behind the Koreans at Worlds.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/track...results/men_tp

And that's about a million miles away from a medal in that event. I'm
guessing they would be close to getting lapped by the riders the US had
in the mid 1990s, the only group to produce medals.

Compare this year's times to what was going on over a decade ago at
an outdoor track.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...21c4e905835409

Granted the team pursuit seems to be targeted for elimination. And
granted those are all young guys. But the distance between a 4:25 and
relevance is large.

Bob Schwartz
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Old October 2nd 09, 03:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Scott
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On Oct 2, 8:24*am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/usa...k-championship...

"The Trek-Livestrong squad of Taylor Phinney, Ian Moir, Julian Kyer and
Justin Williams dominated the men's team pursuit contest, taking the
Stars and Stripes by nearly 10 seconds. With a time of 4:25.83, such a
dominant performance by a group of young men all under the age of 21
bodes well for the future of American track cycling."

If they were to knock 10 seconds off that time, they would still place
behind the Koreans at Worlds.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/track...results/men_tp

And that's about a million miles away from a medal in that event. I'm
guessing they would be close to getting lapped by the riders the US had
in the mid 1990s, the only group to produce medals.

Compare this year's times to what was going on over a decade ago at
an outdoor track.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...21c4e905835409

Granted the team pursuit seems to be targeted for elimination. And
granted those are all young guys. But the distance between a 4:25 and
relevance is large.

Bob Schwartz


Don't know if this is the case, so I won't declare it as such, Kunich-
style, but... there's a good chance they cobbled that team together
the morning of the event or a few days before, at most. With a bit of
proper training for the TP, they will likely be much faster. Whether
they'd have a chance at medalling on an international level, that's
yet to be seen.

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Old October 2nd 09, 06:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_3_]
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Bob Schwartz wrote:

Granted the team pursuit seems to be targeted for elimination. And
granted those are all young guys. But the distance between a 4:25 and
relevance is large.


Maybe the turns were slowing them down.


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Old October 2nd 09, 09:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Oct 2, 11:23*am, "Robert Chung"
wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote:
Granted the team pursuit seems to be targeted for elimination. And
granted those are all young guys. But the distance between a 4:25 and
relevance is large.


Maybe the turns were slowing them down.


As much time and money as TIAF-CREF put in to Team Pursuit in 2006 the
best they could do at Worlds in France that year was a 4:14.
Pate, Creed Huff and Freisckorn.
You need those other 3 guys to let Phinney drag them along for the
entire 4k and their time would come down another 10 seconds.
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Old October 2nd 09, 09:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Robert Chung[_3_]
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Tri-Geek Slayer wrote:
As much time and money as TIAF-CREF put in to Team Pursuit in 2006 the
best they could do at Worlds in France that year was a 4:14.
Pate, Creed Huff and Freisckorn.
You need those other 3 guys to let Phinney drag them along for the
entire 4k and their time would come down another 10 seconds.


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Old October 2nd 09, 10:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Susan Walker
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Robert Chung wrote:
Tri-Geek Slayer wrote:
As much time and money as TIAF-CREF put in to Team Pursuit in 2006 the
best they could do at Worlds in France that year was a 4:14.
Pate, Creed Huff and Freisckorn.
You need those other 3 guys to let Phinney drag them along for the
entire 4k and their time would come down another 10 seconds.


http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/kool_aid.jpg


Perhaps he meant from their current time, 4:25. Phinney's personal best
is 4:15.
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Old October 3rd 09, 08:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Anton Berlin
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On Oct 2, 4:21*pm, Susan Walker wrote:
Robert Chung wrote:
Tri-Geek Slayer wrote:
As much time and money as TIAF-CREF put in to Team Pursuit in 2006 the
best they could do at Worlds in France that year was a 4:14.
Pate, Creed Huff and Freisckorn.
You need those other 3 guys to let Phinney drag them along for the
entire 4k and their time would come down another 10 seconds.


http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/kool_aid.jpg


Perhaps he meant from their current time, 4:25. Phinney's personal best
is 4:15.


If the US wanted to win the pursuit the Phinney's should have had
triplets. Damn selfish of them not to consider this 2 decades ago.
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Old October 3rd 09, 08:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Donald Munro[_3_]
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Anton Berlin wrote:
If the US wanted to win the pursuit the Phinney's should have had
triplets. Damn selfish of them not to consider this 2 decades ago.


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