Radio silence

Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

"Scott" wrote in message
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Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

Huh? That's a win that would have been the least affected by knowledge of
what was going on.

"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
m...
"Scott" wrote in message
...
Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have
been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

Huh? That's a win that would have been the least affected by knowledge
of what was going on.

OK, fine that you think that way, but could you elucidate on the
reasons? I happen to agree; I think the biggest effect on race outcomes
from a ban on radio would be breakaways that don't get caught with 2k to
go, and I see more-dangerous conditions within the peloton as the
domestiques are scrambling to get to team cars that might not be where
they think they'd be resulting in considerable chaos and potentially
more crashes.

But specific to Hampsten's stage on the Gavia? When everyone is in
survival mode, I'm not sure a radio is going to make much difference,
but I'd like to hear other opinions.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On Oct 4, 10:47*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
"Tom Kunich" wrote in message

m...

"Scott" wrote in message
....
Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. *When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have
been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

Huh? That's a win that would have been the least affected by knowledge
of what was going on.

OK, fine that you think that way, but could you elucidate on the
reasons? I happen to agree; I think the biggest effect on race outcomes
from a ban on radio would be breakaways that don't get caught with 2k to
go, and I see more-dangerous conditions within the peloton as the
domestiques are scrambling to get to team cars that might not be where
they think they'd be resulting in considerable chaos and potentially
more crashes.

But specific to Hampsten's stage on the Gavia? When everyone is in
survival mode, I'm not sure a radio is going to make much difference,
but I'd like to hear other opinions.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Huh? That was a win? I thought "Hampsten winning on the Ggavia" was
one of the classic RBR trolls.

On 10/4/09 7:25 AM, in article
, "Scott"
wrote:

Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

Here is an interesting way to look at it...

Imagine performing your job without a computer....

Imagine performing your job, or just living your life without a
cellphone.....

Imagine watching your TV without cable.....

Imagine not having a modern cycling computer on your bike but only having an
old fashioned Avocet rubber-band model....


ALL these things can be done also, but do you want to go back??

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
m...
"Scott" wrote in message
...
Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have
been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.
Huh? That's a win that would have been the least affected by knowledge
of what was going on.

OK, fine that you think that way, but could you elucidate on the
reasons? I happen to agree; I think the biggest effect on race outcomes
from a ban on radio would be breakaways that don't get caught with 2k to
go, and I see more-dangerous conditions within the peloton as the
domestiques are scrambling to get to team cars that might not be where
they think they'd be resulting in considerable chaos and potentially
more crashes.

But specific to Hampsten's stage on the Gavia? When everyone is in
survival mode, I'm not sure a radio is going to make much difference,
but I'd like to hear other opinions.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com



Scott, you're far less understood than I thought.

Le 10/4/2009 11:47, Mike Jacoubowsky a bien réfléchi et puis a déclaré:

But specific to Hampsten's stage on the Gavia? When everyone is in
survival mode, I'm not sure a radio is going to make much difference,
but I'd like to hear other opinions.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com



Not the Gavia, but consider the Landis gallop - there would have been
zero difference, as the car drowning and feeding him was next to him the
entire way, and had full radio communication available. If any
difference could be imagined, I think it would favor the escape group,
which would have team cars at their elbows all the way.

On the other hand, if the riders could only switch channels to satellite
radio ......
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

DirtRoadie wrote:
Huh? That was a win? I thought "Hampsten winning on the Ggavia" was one of
the classic RBR trolls.

If you repeat something often enough it becomes true. Ask Rumsfeld
if you require further elucidation.

Scott wrote:
Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

The opening made me think that pro bike racers are dumber
than Cat 4 retards. One of his points is that removing radios
makes the racing safer because riders are no smarter than
sheep.

Although he phrases it more charitably.

Bob Schwartz

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote:

Velosnooze.com has an interesting read by M. Barry banning
radios. When reading it, it made me wonder how things might have been
different, back in the day, if teams and riders could instantly know
all about road and weather conditions, and how this might have
affected Hampsten's win on the Gavia that day.

Haha.

From what I've read, 7-Eleven did have better race information about
weather on that stage, and the road, than a lot of the opposition, due
to efforts by Mike Neel and also help from an Italian old-time pro
(Motta I think, but I might be wrong) who was very familiar with the
climb and descent.