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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
When can we expect the results from Vino's mountain stage win?
If these turn up negative, then what? From what I remember about basic bio, red blood cells take weeks to months to die. Any comments / press articles about the science behind the results here? |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On 24 juil, 15:20, MrBob wrote:
When can we expect the results from Vino's mountain stage win? Prudhomme said they were currently being analyzed in Chatenay, should be a couple of days... If these turn up negative, then what? We'll know soon enough From what I remember about basic bio, red blood cells take weeks to months to die. Any comments / press articles about the science behind the results here? |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
MrBob writes:
When can we expect the results from Vino's mountain stage win? If these turn up negative, then what? From what I remember about basic bio, red blood cells take weeks to months to die. Any comments / press articles about the science behind the results here? Good question Could you please keep us informed if you see/hear anything? -- Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
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Davey Crockett wrote: MrBob writes: When can we expect the results from Vino's mountain stage win? If these turn up negative, then what? From what I remember about basic bio, red blood cells take weeks to months to die. Any comments / press articles about the science behind the results here? Good question Could you please keep us informed if you see/hear anything? From the Hamilton case, I remember a lifespan of 120 days for a red blood cell. I don't know if it's more of a half-life, or a FIFO process. Again, based on vague memories from the Hamilton case, the test looks for sub-types of blood types. I don't know if an injury or medical product related to crashing could trigger a false positive. Here's an interesting example - riders have tested positive for heart attacks after racing the Furnace Creek 508. A positive result for the test for an enzyme / protein produced by cardiac tissue death is triggered by something else. Given that this is a 30 something hour gruntfest, it's probably some other muscle death. It's too bad that the rest of the team was not automatically tested - if exactly one more positive result appeared it would pretty much eliminate speculation. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
MrBob wrote:
It's too bad that the rest of the team was not automatically tested - if exactly one more positive result appeared it would pretty much eliminate speculation. Why? Non-cyclists can't donate blood? Mark J. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Jul 24, 4:53 pm, MrBob wrote:
Given that this is a 30 something hour gruntfest, it's probably some other muscle death. I heard the wrong saddle can affect boners. Then you rub on penis cream to cure it, and crap!!!!!.... another T/E positive! This is not a call for Bill Asher to talk about male porn stars. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
"SLAVE of THE STATE" wrote in message
oups.com... On Jul 24, 4:53 pm, MrBob wrote: Given that this is a 30 something hour gruntfest, it's probably some other muscle death. I heard the wrong saddle can affect boners. Then you rub on penis cream to cure it, and crap!!!!!.... another T/E positive! This is not a call for Bill Asher to talk about male porn stars. While breathing heavily. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Jul 25, 1:53 am, MrBob wrote:
From the Hamilton case, I remember a lifespan of 120 days for a red blood cell. I don't know if it's more of a half-life, or a FIFO process. There's some variation in the lifespan but the important thing to keep in mind is that you're not transfusing blood cells that are all the same age. Some (roughly, 1/120) are one day old and some are 119 days old. In the Hamilton case, it was charged that he was consistently mini-dosing with less than full units in order to get the observed proportions of mixed blood. That's one of the reasons why it was interesting to see whether the blood bags in the Puerto case were mini (i.e., kid-sized) bags or full-sized units. It also suggests that in the Hamilton case it couldn't have been a one-time only mix-up with Santiago Perez. |
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How long will a positive homologous test subject remain positive?
On Jul 25, 3:53 pm, Robert McMillen
wrote: Although many other doping allegations have some ambiguities, Vino's case should be easy. If he's innocent, call a press conference and invite an independent lab to analyze his blood. If he had an homologous blood transfusion - the evidence would still be there. If his test was botched or sabotaged, the independent lab would clear him. He can readily clear his name if he is innocent, and if he chooses not to do so he is implicitly admitting guilt. Good idea, but the WADA prevents independent labs from doing the homologous blood doping test. That test is proprietary and its protocols and procedures are secret. |
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