More on Bow Roundabout

On 20/11/2011 01:26, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:

snippety

I just dropped it in the killfile.

What we actually need is for some of Medjobs' former friends in the
DIY froup to contact him privately with some sage advice, and to strip
away the much-abused cloak of anonymity from JMS (which is underway).

Is all anonymous posting to be prevented, then?

If not, why not?

On Nov 20, 8:32*am, "Doug" wrote:


When will they ever learn it is not the roads at fault it is the drivers who
are allowed to be much too dangerous, not only to each other but to
vulnerable road users too. Problem is, drivers are a democratic mob
throughout society and government who outnumber and outvote those whose main
concern is human safety.


When I was driving home from a works venue the other day, one of our
so called "killer roundabouts" where HGVs have toppled over in the
past had been made safer simply by putting traffic lights down to
allow all drivers equal access to it, rather than letting the main
dock traffic predominate. This also had a beneficial traffic calming
effect and no HGV has toppled over since the lights were fitted.
Sometimes simple is best.

--
Simon Mason

Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...

They've already had at least two assessments of Bow roundabout.
Another one is just a way of delaying the work that they already know
is necessary.

If they really do need yet another assessment before carrying out the
work necessary to make the junction safe, the junction should be
closed to motor traffic until it is completed.

No need for that, there is no evidence of any unusual risk to motor
traffic. Closing the junction to cyclists seems a far more compelling
proposition. If the responsible authorities continue to allow
cyclists to enter an area which may be unsafe for them, it won't be
long before someone comes after them for compensation.

like the case starting in the states: woman hit by cyclist that should not
have been there is suing the city for 3million dollars.:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

Simon Mason wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:32 am, "Doug" wrote:


When will they ever learn it is not the roads at fault it is the
drivers who are allowed to be much too dangerous, not only to each
other but to vulnerable road users too. Problem is, drivers are a
democratic mob throughout society and government who outnumber and
outvote those whose main concern is human safety.


When I was driving home from a works venue the other day, one of our
so called "killer roundabouts" where HGVs have toppled over in the
past had been made safer simply by putting traffic lights down to
allow all drivers equal access to it, rather than letting the main
dock traffic predominate. This also had a beneficial traffic calming
effect and no HGV has toppled over since the lights were fitted.
Sometimes simple is best.

Slowing down aproach and use speeds at roundabouts would have the same
effect without the delay and bunching of traffic lights.

On 20/11/2011 10:24, Simon Mason wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:32 am, "Doug" wrote:


When will they ever learn it is not the roads at fault it is the drivers who
are allowed to be much too dangerous, not only to each other but to
vulnerable road users too. Problem is, drivers are a democratic mob
throughout society and government who outnumber and outvote those whose main
concern is human safety.


When I was driving home from a works venue the other day, one of our
so called "killer roundabouts" where HGVs have toppled over in the
past had been made safer simply by putting traffic lights down to
allow all drivers equal access to it, rather than letting the main
dock traffic predominate. This also had a beneficial traffic calming
effect and no HGV has toppled over since the lights were fitted.
Sometimes simple is best.

Putting traffic lights actually on the roundabout is a way of restricting the
capacity and causing congestion and danger.

As you say (and you are right, for once), if there a predominant tidal flow
from one direction, the better method is the have a set of peak-hour lights
restricting the flow (slightly) from that direction (but standing on the
approach to the roundabout, a little way from it - looking like a pelicon -
and certainly not on the roundabout's carriageway) thereby allowing traffic
from other directions (principally from the road 90 degrees clockwise from
the predominant flow) a better chance of getting out. The traffic lights
simply have to provide other traffic with a short clear period (eg, 30s)
every couple of minutes.

At non-peak hours, they can be left at green.

On Nov 20, 1:26 am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:12:24 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snippety

I just dropped it in the killfile.

What we actually need is for some of Medjobs' former friends in the
DIY froup to contact him privately with some sage advice, and to strip
away the much-abused cloak of anonymity from JMS (which is underway).

Guy

Don't forget about that cheque :-)

--
Simon Mason

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:25:09 +0000, Phil W Lee wrote:

Simon Mason considered Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:00:36
-0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

"A review of all junctions on London's cycle superhighways has been
ordered following the deaths of two cyclists within a month.

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.

Mr Dorling, of Hounslow, was killed on 24 October while the woman
cyclist died on 11 November.

Kulveer Ranger, Mayor Boris Johnson's director of environment, said
London is seeing "unprecedented levels of cycling" and Transport for
London (TfL) is looking into the issue of safety.

He said: "Work is beginning on how London gears up to move to the next
level of cycling infrastructure and continuing to improve safety for
cyclists.

"This includes a commitment from TfL to review all major schemes
planned on TfL roads as well as to review all the junctions on the
existing cycle superhighways.

"That work will include an assessment of Bow Roundabout, which TfL
have been asked to report back to the mayor on as a matter of
urgency."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15798634

They've already had at least two assessments of Bow roundabout.
Another one is just a way of delaying the work that they already know
is necessary.

If they really do need yet another assessment before carrying out the
work necessary to make the junction safe, the junction should be
closed to motor traffic until it is completed.


Are you of the same opinion as the Porker, that TfL could be prosecuted.

I think this could be the opportunity for you to make a name for yourself
M'lud.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 01:17:26 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:49:16 -0000, "Zapp Brannigan"
wrote:

No need for that, there is no evidence of any unusual risk to motor traffic.

Yes, the fatalities include car drivers as well. It is dangerous for
*all* users, it is an atrociously designed roundabout.

Guy

Hello Porker

Have there been many responses in uk.legal.moderated to your legal question on
this matter?

Or do you think that other legal experts thought that the first response said
all that was necessary?

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Coincidence?
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:58:05 -0000, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

On Nov 20, 1:26 am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:12:24 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snippety

I just dropped it in the killfile.

What we actually need is for some of Medjobs' former friends in the
DIY froup to contact him privately with some sage advice, and to strip
away the much-abused cloak of anonymity from JMS (which is underway).

Guy

Don't forget about that cheque :-)

If you are selling photos of Mrs Mason in the all together so that we can see
how fat she is (as you once said she was) - then I think I will decline the
offer.

Anyway - the Porker's cheque will be in the post - just like a letter - as we
say.

I see that you have realised that your email account is not secure - and you
have to exchange personal messages here :-)

I did warn you.


--
"You get a real feeling of elation just for the simple act of cycling past the local hospital
where there are people of my age who have abused their bodies and suffered all sorts of ailments"

Simon Mason

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:19:26 +0000, JNugent wrote:

snip


Scrap the traffic lights and let the roundabout operate as it was meant to.


Yes I agree - and if cyclists were frightened of using it - then they could
always get off and walk round just as the Highway Code advises.