my priority is safety for cyclists

On 26/06/2017 22:51, wrote:
I regularly walk my dog near wasteland where there is a public path.
I am limited to where I can exercise my dog and despite thousands of
miles of road out there cyclists like to use the path too. Although
the vast majority are considerate and give plenty of notice to reign
the dog in there are arseholes. I appreciate there is a highway code
which states that dogs must be on a short leash is there not onus on
cyclists when approaching pedestrians to travel at a reduce speed. I
do not wish any harm to a cyclists nor to my dog but some simply feel
their desire to emulate Wiggins is a higher priority.

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public footpaths
in order to command my rightful space.

Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at you -
they don't have right of way.

On 27/06/17 09:36, Incubus wrote:
On 26/06/2017 22:51, wrote:
I regularly walk my dog near wasteland where there is a public
path. I am limited to where I can exercise my dog and despite
thousands of miles of road out there cyclists like to use the path
too. Although the vast majority are considerate and give plenty of
notice to reign the dog in there are arseholes. I appreciate there
is a highway code which states that dogs must be on a short leash
is there not onus on cyclists when approaching pedestrians to
travel at a reduce speed.

Correct.

I do not wish any harm to a cyclists nor to my dog but some simply
feel their desire to emulate Wiggins is a higher priority.

I once joined a group of mountain bikers. I believe this group are
responsible when encountering walkers but when I go on a country track I
want to enjoy the scenery; their attitude had more to do with conquering
the scenery.

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in order to command my rightful space.

That is reasonable. The only trouble is that if it doesn't make the
rider reduce speed early on it can feel like a game of chicken.

Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at
you - they don't have right of way.

It all depends on how much time they give you between you being aware of
them and they going past you. I hope that if we ever meet on a path we
pass with proper mutual co-operation.

On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public footpaths
in order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is
riding carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them
space, live and let live.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at you -
they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you
are there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells are
useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

On 28/06/2017 08:40, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/06/17 09:36, Incubus wrote:
On 26/06/2017 22:51, wrote:
I regularly walk my dog near wasteland where there is a public
path. I am limited to where I can exercise my dog and despite
thousands of miles of road out there cyclists like to use the path
too. Although the vast majority are considerate and give plenty of
notice to reign the dog in there are arseholes. I appreciate there
is a highway code which states that dogs must be on a short leash
is there not onus on cyclists when approaching pedestrians to
travel at a reduce speed.

Correct.

I do not wish any harm to a cyclists nor to my dog but some simply
feel their desire to emulate Wiggins is a higher priority.

I once joined a group of mountain bikers. I believe this group are
responsible when encountering walkers but when I go on a country track I
want to enjoy the scenery; their attitude had more to do with conquering
the scenery.

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in order to command my rightful space.

That is reasonable. The only trouble is that if it doesn't make the
rider reduce speed early on it can feel like a game of chicken.

That's why carrying an umbrella can come in handy.

Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at
you - they don't have right of way.

It all depends on how much time they give you between you being aware of
them and they going past you. I hope that if we ever meet on a path we
pass with proper mutual co-operation.

I hope that we never meet on a footpath as you shouldn't be on one.

On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public footpaths
in order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is
riding carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them
space, live and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at you
- they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you
are there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells are
useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

So you advocate shouting at pedestrians to move out of your way where
you have no right to be. Noted.

On 28/06/2017 09:16, Incubus wrote:
On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is
riding carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them
space, live and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


I think it would be good if dogs were kept under control.
I think it would be good if cars drove carefully and considerately
towards cyclists.
I think it would be good if car drivers didn't park on the pavement.
I think ....

But if people are considerate, I cut them a little slack. If a cyclist
is riding at around walking pace on the pavement and slows for the
pedestrians I don't see a problem.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at
you - they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you
are there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells
are useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

So you advocate shouting at pedestrians to move out of your way where
you have no right to be. Noted.


That's not what I said, but if you enjoy taking offence please do so.

On 28/06/2017 09:40, Nick wrote:
On 28/06/2017 09:16, Incubus wrote:
On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is
riding carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them
space, live and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


I think it would be good if dogs were kept under control.
I think it would be good if cars drove carefully and considerately
towards cyclists.
I think it would be good if car drivers didn't park on the pavement.
I think ....

But if people are considerate, I cut them a little slack. If a cyclist
is riding at around walking pace on the pavement and slows for the
pedestrians I don't see a problem.
If cyclists all rode legally then there would be few complaints.
Cyclists on the pavement are not legal and, to compound the problem, in
general, ride with no consideration for other people that are legally or
(in the case of other cyclists) illegally, on the pavement.

On 28/06/2017 09:40, Nick wrote:
On 28/06/2017 09:16, Incubus wrote:
On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is
riding carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them
space, live and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


I think it would be good if dogs were kept under control.
I think it would be good if cars drove carefully and considerately
towards cyclists.
I think it would be good if car drivers didn't park on the pavement.
I think ....

So a recourse to moral relatavism is your only response?

But if people are considerate, I cut them a little slack. If a cyclist
is riding at around walking pace on the pavement and slows for the
pedestrians I don't see a problem.

If only that were the case and if only cyclists on the pavement gave way
to pedestrians.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at
you - they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you
are there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells
are useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

So you advocate shouting at pedestrians to move out of your way where
you have no right to be. Noted.


That's not what I said, but if you enjoy taking offence please do so.

It's a corollary of what you said. It also contradicts what you said
about cyclists being considerate. A considerate cyclist would never
ride on the pavement but at the very least would not expect a pedestrian
to move out of his way.

"Incubus" wrote in message news
On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public footpaths in
order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is riding
carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them space, live
and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at you -
they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you are
there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells are
useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

So you advocate shouting at pedestrians to move out of your way where
you have no right to be. Noted.

===

There is a footpath (or was supposed to be) near me, but it now has cycle
signs on it at the ends. They race up the path and give a dirty look as
they pass. I always have my dog on a lead but I fear that one day ...



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On 28/06/2017 10:45, Ophelia wrote:
"Incubus" wrote in message news
On 28/06/2017 08:58, Nick wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:36, Incubus wrote:

I practice defensive walking. Because of my smaller mass and slower
speed, the best way of making myself safe is to be in the way of
cyclists. Hence, I take up as much space as I can on public
footpaths in
order to command my rightful space.


That is OK if the cyclist is riding too fast but if the cyclist is riding
carefully at an appropriate speed I think it good to give them space,
live
and let live.

I think it is good that cyclists ride where they are supposed to and
stay off footpaths.


Remember not to be intimidated by cyclists who ring their bells at you -
they don't have right of way.


Ringing a bell was designed to be a courtesy, to let someone know you are
there. It was OK when people understood that but nowadays bells are
useless because people take offence.

It is easier to talk or shout depending on the urgency of the situation.

So you advocate shouting at pedestrians to move out of your way where
you have no right to be. Noted.

===

There is a footpath (or was supposed to be) near me, but it now has cycle
signs on it at the ends. They race up the path and give a dirty look as
they pass. I always have my dog on a lead but I fear that one day ...

Cyclists who ride on footpaths are a menace to pedestrians.
Unfortunately, it sounds like that footpath is now a cycling path.
There should be a path for pedestrians as well.