A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????

It sure is nice to know that a few people are
prepared for the $48. a barrel oil and are
laughing about it. Happy Presidents Day

It's a gas, gas, gas.......

Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach

"Zach" wrote in message
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Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach


Zach:

I agree the price of oil is low based on historic prices adjusted for
inflation. And that it would be nice to have more room on the roads. But
I'm thinking were better be careful what we are wish for. Industrialized
nations have an oil based economy and doubling that cost could wreak havoc
on the global economy. With globalization everything is now connected in
some way. Doubling the price of oil would do a lot more than just getting
some SUV's off the road.

I'm guessing your business needs a good economy to survive - and when I say
a good economy I'm talking about a normal expansion - recession business
cycle. In a truly depressed economy I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be much
of a market for bicycles in the $1,000 to $5,000 range. I should think
those dealers in the high end of the bike market would be ill equipped to
compete those in the much larger scale low end of the market.

skip

At first thought, getting back to rickshaws, recumbents and t-t-t-t-,
all right; spit it out- ten speeds and basic hpv-everything would be
terrific for me.

But when it comes to flooding, teens shooting everyone, masses of used
car sales-service (new cars too, for that matter) this state alone
would have waves of devastation (economic, housing, heat/cold, on and
on).

I do not know what will happen one year to the next. I am prepared
with my bent, but I hope anarchy never happens when the oil life blood
stops and everyone is forced to pedal.

I enjoyed the microcar museum on my computer, but small cars in Europe
didn't last very long after WWII. Those vehicles could easily become
human powered hybrids, but going from a fun open trike to
"claustrophobic" would be hard for me.

I'm becoming as "flip-flop" about transportation as most polititions
are!

"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach

And if that happens you will be spending double for that recumbent

Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever
it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel
to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of
oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we
have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach

And if that happens you will be spending double for that recumbent

No big deal, it will still be much less expensive than a car.

Zach

"Zach" wrote in message
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Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever
it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel
to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of
oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we
have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach

And if that happens you will be spending double for that recumbent

No big deal, it will still be much less expensive than a car.

Zach

Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then

I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on everyone else
so they can have more what they happen to like doing

Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
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Mark Leuck wrote:
"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago?
Whatever
it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above
$100/barrel
to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of
oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so
we
have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as
riding
recumbents.

Zach

And if that happens you will be spending double for that
recumbent

No big deal, it will still be much less expensive than a car.

Zach

Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then

I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on
everyone else
so they can have more what they happen to like doing

In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell due to overuse
of resources and the large number of people driving single occupant,
inefficient vehicles burning up petrol as if it were water has got to
stop if life on earth is to survive. Anything that can be done to
discourage destroying the environment through driving and excessive
resource use is a worthy cause in my book. I'm willing to suffer
reduced convenience to help save the world but many aren't and won't
start conserving resources and reducing their pollution output until it
becomes too expensive for them to drive. This is the beginning of the
peak oil age and things are going to get a lot worse before they get
better. Hopefully humanity can correct itself before it is too late and
the mass die off occurs. It is already starting to happen. Look at what
is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars
these days.

Zach

At the last OPEC meeting the price per barrel was set at $55.00 per barrel
for 2005/2006,
this was set as the bare minimum, I think their calendar year kicks in
around June 2005 and yes I agree $100.00 should be the base price.
Expect a major price hike after Washington threatens to go ballistic on Iran
and more car bombs light up the sky in Saudi Arabia...the mid-east is about
to get very interesting, North American reaction of course will be to build
and buy bigger and more powerful automobile engines for the drive to Wal
Mart 200 miles away to take advantage of all those deep discount savings on
stuff no longer made in America.

Might be a bit premature to look into becoming hippie survivalists, but then
again as the air we breath ends up on par with Mexico City and the only
really good jobs left in America include you asking if your customer wants
Fries with their burger...might not hurt to read up on planting a veggie
garden.

Oh and as America becomes more interesting, expect the cost of tires to rise
a few pennies and everything else we import goes up as fuel costs go up
to get stuff to America.

Nice thing about being old is you have learned to not get excited and take
all this global insanity in stride...if I was 30 years younger, I'd be
pretty ****ed & worried with the way the nation and the environment is going
downhill.

"Zach" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it
is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to
pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized,
overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have
more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding
recumbents.

Zach

"Joshua Goldberg" wrote in message
...
At the last OPEC meeting the price per barrel was set at $55.00 per barrel
for 2005/2006,
this was set as the bare minimum, I think their calendar year kicks in
around June 2005 and yes I agree $100.00 should be the base price.
Expect a major price hike after Washington threatens to go ballistic on
Iran
and more car bombs light up the sky in Saudi Arabia...the mid-east is
about
to get very interesting,

Actually it appears to be calming down but we'll wait and see, if so many of
you think the price of gas is too low then why not pay more? I'm sure the
stations will accept the additional funds, and if so many of you believe
taxes are too low then why not write a bigger check to the government? My
bet is nobody does or will because deep down they really don't believe some
of the things they say

North American reaction of course will be to build
and buy bigger and more powerful automobile engines for the drive to Wal
Mart 200 miles away to take advantage of all those deep discount savings
on
stuff no longer made in America.

Most Wal Marts are within 10 to 20 miles, I don't know where you get 200, if
someone drives that far they are idiots

Interesting story last week, seems California and Oregon is looking at
taxing cars by miles driven, the reasoning however isn't what one thinks
since it seems so many people are buying hybrid cars then the state loses
money from gas taxes. Damned if you do and damned if you don't

Might be a bit premature to look into becoming hippie survivalists, but
then
again as the air we breath ends up on par with Mexico City and the only
really good jobs left in America include you asking if your customer wants
Fries with their burger...might not hurt to read up on planting a veggie
garden.

Jeez now your starting to sound like Sherman,Last jobs statistics I saw
indicated higher average wages not lower. I guess thats happens to "the
other guy"

Oh and as America becomes more interesting, expect the cost of tires to
rise
a few pennies and everything else we import goes up as fuel costs go
up
to get stuff to America.

The cost of tires will rise quite a bit more than a few pennies with $100
per barrel oil prices, I'd wager IF that were to happen the very same people
here crying about the low price of oil now will cry even more when
EVERYTHING they buy is doubled in price, you people who want these things
know not what you say

Nice thing about being old is you have learned to not get excited and take
all this global insanity in stride...if I was 30 years younger, I'd be
pretty ****ed & worried with the way the nation and the environment is
going
downhill.

I don't know how old you are but I'm old enough to have heard a lot of the
doomsday scenarios you guys talk 20-30 years ago, call me someone with my
head in the sand but I've heard all of this before and seen none of it. What
people fail to understand time and time again is regardless what happens
people adapt to changes, there will be no mass devastation or panic due wars
because of oil running out since IF that were to happen we'd have adapted to
something else ages ago, the human race always does